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Lewbronski 12-07-2022 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3546194)
SWAPA confirmed this a while ago. As I recall, the guy was giving his notice and the chief took his badge on the spot. Denver chief. Not sure which one or if he is still there.

Look, I get that some of you have a chummy relationship with the CPO in your bases and there are some stand up dudes in there doing gods work. There are also some complete a holes in there in it for themselves. Some guys have found out by accident that they thought they were dealing with the former and instead got the latter.

The only reason my chief pilot knows my name is because we flew together when he was on the line. He is a great dude, but I wouldn't trust him with anything he doesn't absolutely need to know. Nobody else in that office knows my name and that's the way I want it.

They aren't your friends. Their number one job is to protect the company and some of them take that way more seriously than others. My advice would be to say as little as possible to them other than what is necessary in the performance of your duties. When you need them for family emergencies, etc, they are great and provide a valuable service. Other than that, stay far away and tell them nothing other than that we need a new contract.

In general, I think this is true (the part about when you need them for family emergencies, they are great). But, even in family emergencies, I’ve had my own personal mind-blowiingly horrific experiences with two separate chief pilots here. I won’t go into details because I don’t want to give away too much identifying personal information, but it totally destroyed the illusions I’d had about “luv” and “cohearts” and the “SWA family.” Complete smoke and mirrors IMO.

Ever since those experiences, I’ve just called in sick (IMSAFE) if something similar has come up instead of seek any kind of anything from a chief pilot.

mulcher 12-07-2022 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Tankerhead (Post 3546140)
Name the chief and then repeat this on the SWAPA forum or fake news.

But damn. I wish I had gone ANYWHERE else. Seemed like a good idea at the time. This is the jankiest airline in the Western Hemisphere.

It did happen. Complete bs how he was treated.

nene 12-07-2022 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by mulcher (Post 3546305)
It did happen. Complete bs how he was treated.

I had a buddy who quit UAL back in 2014 as a newer higher and same exact thing happened to him, instead of two weeks notice he was giving the CP, CP in EWR collected his ID there in office and had him escorted back to the terminal.

Tenacvols 12-07-2022 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Fly4FunAA (Post 3546115)
Yeah I think it’s best to not say anything to them until I’m about to go to class at DAL. Ironically I could drive to a SWA base but even then just the opportunities at Delta right now outweigh SWA unless we get a contract that’s so good it makes me rethink. I could always move to a Delta base too.

I share all this just to be real about what some of us new hires are dealing with and hopefully it can be a wake up call that we need a good contract otherwise I won’t be the only one.

We won’t have an AIP, much less a TA before your class date with Delta. Enjoy your new adventure. I’m pushing my daughter that way vice coming to SWA…

Zman81 12-07-2022 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3545840)
OMG, unless there’s a commute to DAL as opposed to a drive to SWA, run don’t walk as soon as you get a class date. No disrespect but I’d have to question the sanity of someone who wants to stay at SWA especially if they have 20-40 years left in their career.


Duh he is here for the culture dude!!!! Come on get with it…..

WHACKMASTER 12-07-2022 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by Crockrocket95 (Post 3546039)
And what are Cps gonna do about it?

Honestly the best thing for us is IF people leave... not that I was to lose seniority but damn, people leave, things get done.

Case in point….Spirit just got an AIP because they were losing pilots left and right.

WHACKMASTER 12-07-2022 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by Zman81 (Post 3546415)
Duh he is here for the culture dude!!!! Come on get with it…..

Oh, yes yes. The CULTure. I forgot about that….

at6d 12-07-2022 09:36 PM

I just flew with a captain that had a conversation with a significant management type recently about the impact of SWAPA picketing events. It’s second hand, of course but goes with the above. The comment was that the management team could care less about the pickets, but the eye opener was losing pilots to other carriers.

flyguy81 12-07-2022 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3546182)
Apparently Spirit has an AIP now. Gonna have to start a spreadsheet to keep score.

UAL, AA, SWA are left. Not sure when F9 or B6 are due though…..

WHACKMASTER 12-07-2022 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3546194)
SWAPA confirmed this a while ago. As I recall, the guy was giving his notice and the chief took his badge on the spot. Denver chief. Not sure which one or if he is still there.

Look, I get that some of you have a chummy relationship with the CPO in your bases and there are some stand up dudes in there doing gods work. There are also some complete a holes in there in it for themselves. Some guys have found out by accident that they thought they were dealing with the former and instead got the latter.

The only reason my chief pilot knows my name is because we flew together when he was on the line. He is a great dude, but I wouldn't trust him with anything he doesn't absolutely need to know. Nobody else in that office knows my name and that's the way I want it.

They aren't your friends. Their number one job is to protect the company and some of them take that way more seriously than others. My advice would be to say as little as possible to them other than what is necessary in the performance of your duties. When you need them for family emergencies, etc, they are great and provide a valuable service. Other than that, stay far away and tell them nothing other than that we need a new contract.

Fantastic advice. That needed to be reposted.


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