Because it takes them far from their comfort zone of Midland, Corpus and Harlingen. ;)

Easy answer, The body is so used to Motel 6 and Hyatt place, Not sure if able to sleep in a nice hotel and more than a 9 to 11 overnight.


You can have the ETOPS, Give me 16 hr duty days and 9 hours of rest. It is legal for CS to give it to me and I like it .


Nice hotels and long layover are way overrated.

Because sometimes 25 hour overnights can be just few hours too long...

9 hour layovers can be just a few hours plus a few hours too short. But hay, it is legal so they so do it . Nothing better than having a 16 hour day then a 9 hour layover then too go back the next day for a 16 hour duty day. They treat us like pack mules

Call in fatigued. I am fairly certain 9 hours isn’t even legal lol.

It is absolutely legal

We have a lot of choices. The point is we should not be put in that position weekly. I’m guessing you did not work. For WN , as you would have had many 9 hour layover.

Your answer to the problem would be like me saying , why ask for more money, just work more on your days off .

Don't we have a 10 hour requirement in our contract? I will have to look it up when I get back to my iPad. I am not saying it is a great solution, but assuming it is legal, if everyone would stop flying and call out fatigued I bet the company would stop doing it. The only reason an airline gets away with **** like that is because the pilot group allows it.

FAR 117, 10 hours with 8 behind the door.

FAR121 allowed a reduced rest with compensatory rest, but that’s no more.

9 hours block in to block out , it is up to you to get fhe 8 hours being the room door. My point is that they should not work us like a pack mule. Then when we question CS about it, the answer is they’re allowed to do it per the contract No we’re sorry or do you mind helping out or any other kind of remorse. Just a fu you have to do it or call fatigued .

And you are correct the fatigue calls are skyrocketing It is a matter of time before the FAA notices.

Interesting, I have not seen this yet but rest assured, (no pun intended), if I am looking at a 9 hour window before I am back at the plane and flying I will be using a fatigue call 100% of the time. Its not safe and not worth it.