Yep. I had a Mercury Sable station wagon. My kids will be getting something with 4WD or AWD because….DEN.

You haven’t even seen what’s in the new TA. Hell, we don’t even have one yet. Give it a rest already for 🤬’s sake. Jesus….

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I think some of these guys might be plants using reverse psychology. Pushing the idea of a turd, so when we eventually see the TA we perceive it as not a turd but pretty good. When in fact it was a turd and the company wins again.

easy to measure. is it industry leading or not? easy yes or no

This conversation was had last time. "We" voted in a turd. It was had in 2008. "We" voted in a turd. It's going to happen this time too. It might be a smaller turd (maybe), but it will be a turd.

For yourself, without relying on any one source, try to evaluate what true inflation is. Look at the difference in how it was calculated in say the 70s compared to now. Decide for yourself which products or services should be a real indicator of inflation over the last 4 years. Then when the turd comes out, you can decide whether we got a raise, kept up with inflation, or agreed to reduced buying power.

Then look at the work rules. If you're an AMer, you will likely benefit from LCO. If you're a PMer, you will likely NOT benefit from it compared to love up. Will you be getting screwed by the Co-Terminal language? Or will those sprinkles add to your sprinkle covered turd?

Will you finally have standard or better language for meals, hotels, red eyes, uniforms, parking, medicals? How about the big ones? Disability? NEC? NEC while out on disability? Life insurance?

Will you still be doing the FAs job of checking the GD girt bars? Then will you wait for them to go to the hotel because "that's the way we do it here!"

Come back to this post when you see the turd. If every one of these things (plus whatever I missed) is addressed properly, I'll come back and eat crow. If not, I DAMN WILL remind you all next time (my last time) we negotiate. And I'll tell you again, it's gonna be a turd. It's the way we do things here.

What’s stopping FO’s from going to the hotel and not waiting for FA/CA “girt bar” BS? Nothing says we can’t, right?

I mean you could try, but the shuttle driver will want to stay and what for the rest of the crew plus your captain will hate you.

quote from 11/30 podcast

"Lock in those gains"

How many from the SWAPA elite are even going to participate in The Grind after this thing is voted in.

Oh. And of course I meant "move up" not "love up." Stupid autocorrect.
We all know there's no love here.

so in other words.. nothing prevents FO’s from doing it. Vans run on a schedule usually and Capt can get mad all they want. No reason to wait 30 minutes so they can do a pretend check. If enough do it, maybe that will change?