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Ace McCoy 12-20-2023 04:24 PM
Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3739697)
Don't really see anything that's going to fuel regret for leaving in the AIP/TA snapshot and newest SWAPA contract comparison guide. $10/hr more on 737 rates is decent, but probably still undershoots what they should be. The medical remibursment amount is healthy and might lead the industry, but increased NEC, MBCBP, paid parking, pay protection for fatigue calls etc. all seem to be brought up to industry standards. Nothing really earth shattering there.
Its $4 and change higher...not $10

FleetSnarl 12-20-2023 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3739348)
scabs won’t be a factor at all
That was exactly my point. Maybe my sarcasm didn't come through.

Scabs WON'T be a factor in this environment. There might be a few willing to live the rest of their lives on the scab list and all that goes along with it to work for a few hours at SWA as a scab, but there won't be enough to sustain the airline. Therefore, the company is mostly defenseless in this pilot market.

golfandflows 12-20-2023 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by FleetSnarl (Post 3739713)
That was exactly my point. Maybe my sarcasm didn't come through.

Scabs WON'T be a factor in this environment. There might be a few willing to live the rest of their lives on the scab list and all that goes along with it to work for a few hours at SWA as a scab, but there won't be enough to sustain the airline. Therefore, the company is mostly defenseless in this pilot market.
Doesnt even matter. This TA will pass

6packSteamJedi 12-20-2023 04:43 PM
everyone i have talked to likes this TA for the most part. It's going to pass 80-90%, there are the same 5 guys "nothing will every be good enough" posting in all the same places.

rg16 12-20-2023 05:02 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3739414)
The NMB would not agree.

Once mediation begins, the NMB-appointed mediator controls when and where negotiation sessions will occur.
Show me in the RLA where it's written that direct negotiations are prohibited when mediation begins. I'll wait.


The mediator controls MEDIATED sessions. There is NOTHING that prohibits Casey and Jody from getting together with Bobby J and AW over some hot wings and quesadillas at the DoubleTree and hammering out a deal, at ANY time.

Otterbox 12-20-2023 05:47 PM
Originally Posted by Ace McCoy (Post 3739709)
Its $4 and change higher...not $10
Pulled the # off the wrong page. It's roughly $4 for CA, $10 for FO. Either way, not enough to stop someone from leaving.

TA will probably pass 70% though if the big 3 pilot group votes are any indication.

golfandflows 12-20-2023 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3739743)
Pulled the # off the wrong page. It's $4 for CA, $10 for FO. Either way, not enough to stop someone from leaving.
if someone wants to leave to fly WB, so be it. Its a free labor market. Pilots come to SW knowing there isnt widebody to begin with. SWA isnt going to offer rates GROSSLY above market avg just so some "might stay". Can we put this talking point to bed please?

Liberty 12-20-2023 06:00 PM
SWA has wide body flying opportunities. In fact, we’re their favorite airline now that we give them an extra free seat(s) when requested.

SlipKid 12-20-2023 07:31 PM
Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3739697)
Don't really see anything that's going to fuel regret for leaving in the AIP/TA snapshot and newest SWAPA contract comparison guide. $10/hr more on 737 rates is decent, but probably still undershoots what they should be. The medical remibursment amount is healthy and might lead the industry, but increased NEC, MBCBP, paid parking, pay protection for fatigue calls etc. all seem to be brought up to industry standards. Nothing really earth shattering there.
The most earth shattering thing is that we've finally achieved, more or less, an industry average TA!

Liberty 12-20-2023 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by SlipKid (Post 3739782)
The most earth shattering thing is that we've finally achieved, more or less, an industry average TA!
Agreed. I don’t see anything “shocking” or “insane money” or “regret for those that left”. Just moving up to average. However, that definitely makes this a very different airline to work for now. It took “once in a lifetime leverage” to get to this average. To be fair, serious “gains” were required to get to where we’re at now.


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