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e6bpilot 04-16-2024 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3793083)
I understand what you mean about LTD, but one can’t just snap their finger and magically have a condition that would keep them out for years and years. It’s got to be documented and proven for the LTD checks to keep rolling in.

Respectfully, any one of us could go out tomorrow and never come back. I will leave it at that lest this get misquoted in some article somewhere. I am not suggesting anybody take advantage of the disability programs in place, but many will do just that. This is partially the company's fault for having awful disability programs for so long, incentivizing many pilots to hide conditions that would ground them. The other part of it is that you can "retire early" and live a comfortable life on LTD B and so why not? I have talked about my dad before on here. He retired at 60, bought a sailboat to sail around the world by himself, and died within 2 years. In visiting with him during his final days, he never expressed regret for not working more.

5tools 04-16-2024 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3793148)
Respectfully, any one of us could go out tomorrow and never come back. I will leave it at that lest this get misquoted in some article somewhere. I am not suggesting anybody take advantage of the disability programs in place, but many will do just that. This is partially the company's fault for having awful disability programs for so long, incentivizing many pilots to hide conditions that would ground them. The other part of it is that you can "retire early" and live a comfortable life on LTD B and so why not? I have talked about my dad before on here. He retired at 60, bought a sailboat to sail around the world by himself, and died within 2 years. In visiting with him during his final days, he never expressed regret for not working more.

Do you have examples of pilot taking of advantage of disablity programs here? I know for fact it's rampant in the military.

5tools 04-16-2024 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by mulcher (Post 3793006)
They can furlough then. Management’s lack of leadership is on them.

Tell that to the pilot who gets furloughed. So are you going to vote for pay cut when the time comes?

5tools 04-16-2024 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3793029)
I keep seeing quotes from stools, which is unfortunate since I have blocked him like everyone else should. He is an obvious troll and is even spamming other airline sections and making a nice name for himself on the age 67 issue. I wouldn't know this but everyone keeps quoting him.

VSP was such a wild success because it was bought and paid for by the taxpayers. The company would never in a million years do something that magnanimous of their own accord. There is a new VSP in town and it is called LTD B. Don't know if you heard, but it pays better and longer than the old VSP anyway. If you are tired of being here, just let your AME know.

EXTO won't happen anytime in the near future either. It was an abject failure from the company's standpoint. Yes, they saved some money, but then when they needed to spool the airline back up, they ended up losing way more than they saved because everybody had gone home.

Stand by for post summer leave of absences. That's the exciting news that's coming.

So its that simple to go out on LTD, just go tell your AME you don't want to be here anymore? Please explain?

Zman81 04-16-2024 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3793083)
I understand what you mean about LTD, but one can’t just snap their finger and magically have a condition that would keep them out for years and years. It’s got to be documented and proven for the LTD checks to keep rolling in.


Exactly I think unless you have a real deal condition good luck. It’s like OJI and why a lot of claims get denied. You can fly with alot of ailments but you have to take FAA approved medication for them. Such as high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. They will make you go through the wringer to get back your medical like it or not. An the end it’s alot of stress and misery for a long vacation. Also people might want to read the fine print. If MetLife feels your not being genuine in your efforts to get back your medical they CAN and WILL deny you benefits.

MatthewAMEL 04-16-2024 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Zman81 (Post 3793174)
Exactly I think unless you have a real deal condition good luck. It’s like OJI and why a lot of claims get denied. You can fly with alot of ailments but you have to take FAA approved medication for them. Such as high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. They will make you go through the wringer to get back your medical like it or not. An the end it’s alot of stress and misery for a long vacation. Also people might want to read the fine print. If MetLife feels your not being genuine in your efforts to get back your medical they CAN and WILL deny you benefits.

Even more fun...if MetLife decides you could have gotten your Medical back earlier, they can come after you for their 'overpayment' of your disability. Even if you have every scrap of paperwork from beginning to end. Not really the stress free recovery one hopes for.

flyguy81 04-16-2024 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL (Post 3793198)
Even more fun...if MetLife decides you could have gotten your Medical back earlier, they can come after you for their 'overpayment' of your disability. Even if you have every scrap of paperwork from beginning to end. Not really the stress free recovery one hopes for.

Another reason I was perfectly fine with LOL. One less pushy insurer to deal with.

Zman81 04-16-2024 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL (Post 3793198)
Even more fun...if MetLife decides you could have gotten your Medical back earlier, they can come after you for their 'overpayment' of your disability. Even if you have every scrap of paperwork from beginning to end. Not really the stress free recovery one hopes for.


Yes I read that as well. People really need to read the fine print before doing anything that could get you in a world of hurt financially. It’s available to all of us and it’s in black and white.

Mozam 04-16-2024 11:24 AM

About 35 percent of the pilots over age 60 are out on LTD

mulcher 04-16-2024 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by 5tools (Post 3793168)
Tell that to the pilot who gets furloughed. So are you going to vote for pay cut when the time comes?

I won’t vote for a pay cut.


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