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CousinEddie 06-21-2024 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL (Post 3813388)
One of the 'talked about' procedures that has been promised or theatened for years, depending on your view, is flying to the FAF on ANY approach prior to landing. A/C should be configured and on-speed at FAF. Eliminates pretty much all guesswork, ensures both pilots have the 'shared mental model' and gives you a fixed point in space to aim for in all circumstances. Perhaps this is the incident that pushes that procedure into practice.

I've heard pilots do just that instead of flying the assigned speed all the way to the marker at ORD over the years. Quite the blasting they get on the radio.

Halon1211 06-21-2024 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Nordhavn (Post 3813307)
im sorry to hear that is even allowed at SW. I'm guessing if it is, not for much longer. What a goof up.

Do you guys at Southwest really not back-up ALL your approaches? Like “eh- F it I see the runway…I’m pretty sure this is the one.”

reminds me of years ago when they landed at the wrong airport.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/sou...confused-them/

Cyio 06-21-2024 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3813410)
Do you guys at Southwest really not back-up ALL your approaches? Like “eh- F it I see the runway…I’m pretty sure this is the one.”

reminds me of years ago when they landed at the wrong airport.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/sou...confused-them/

I have not once seen a pilot here not back it up even when clear and a million.

Hedley 06-21-2024 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 3813401)
I've heard pilots do just that instead of flying the assigned speed all the way to the marker at ORD over the years. Quite the blasting they get on the radio.

On the other hand, when tower tells you to maintain 180 until the marker and you fully configure instead, you'll get paid more when they tell you to go around.

ohaiyo 06-21-2024 06:38 PM

100% they visually lined up on the wrong runway. It's a very easy mistake to make when you're out of your element.

Halon1211 06-21-2024 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by ohaiyo (Post 3813468)
100% they visually lined up on the wrong runway. It's a very easy mistake to make when you're out of your element.

No, it should not of been an easy mistake…you back up the visual approach with something.

JamesNoBrakes 06-21-2024 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by ohaiyo (Post 3813468)
100% they visually lined up on the wrong runway. It's a very easy mistake to make when you're out of your element.

And how often are transport category airplanes at 500' 9 miles out on final? The approach path does line up with the runway at OKC...but that doesn't explain being at 500' AGL that far out.

JamesNoBrakes 06-21-2024 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 3813401)
I've heard pilots do just that instead of flying the assigned speed all the way to the marker at ORD over the years. Quite the blasting they get on the radio.

Let the controllers explain to AOV (Air Traffic Oversight) and AFS (Flight Standards) how they don't want airplanes to fly stable approaches.

Hedley 06-21-2024 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 3813472)
Let the controllers explain to AOV (Air Traffic Oversight) and AFS (Flight Standards) how they don't want airplanes to fly stable approaches.

Flying 180 to the marker, followed by final configuration, slow to target speed, and checklist complete by 1,000 feet is not only a safe and stable approach, it should be effortless by this stage of the game.

JamesNoBrakes 06-21-2024 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3813477)
Flying 180 to the marker, followed by final configuration, slow to target speed, and checklist complete by 1,000 feet is not only a safe and stable approach, it should be effortless by this stage of the game.

Depends on which marker we are talking about. It sounded above like we were discussing the FAF, OM, where you would be stabilized. It would not be the same thing at the DA/MM. But I may have been misinterpreting, I was assuming they maintain speed until near the OM, then stabilized from them on. If they were needlessly slow way before that, then there may be an argument to maintain a faster speed when requested.


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