Originally Posted by REF 5 (Post 3840765)

All this talk about how bad the CA flying is, yet with this schedule release, no changes. Most of the update that AW put out discussed CA and its connectivity problems. Have you noticed that SWAPA president hasn’t said anything about investors day? As of matter of fact none of the SWAPA’s leadership other than ATL reps, really hasn’t said much. Something of this magnitude, the biggest change in SWA I would argue ever and not a peep from SWAPA other than the typical how bad management is.

I don’t think SWA want’s to give up any part of CA. They know if they pull back, the network carriers will fill the void and SWA will never get it back. All the other carriers right size their markets with appropriate gauge of aircraft. Obviously a huge void that SWA has. SWAPA has the best section 1 restrictions in the industry by far. It’s pretty explicit that SWAPA and SWA have to agree to any changes to section 1. The current SWA leadership or next( most likely the next) is/has/will discuss this. It doesn’t make any sense that this schedule didn’t tweak anything on the west coast. Basically, according to AW, the weakest part of the network. Just seems to be a piece of puzzle still missing.

Originally Posted by REF 5 (Post 3840765)

All this talk about how bad the CA flying is, yet with this schedule release, no changes. Most of the update that AW put out discussed CA and its connectivity problems. Have you noticed that SWAPA president hasn’t said anything about investors day? As of matter of fact none of the SWAPA’s leadership other than ATL reps, really hasn’t said much. Something of this magnitude, the biggest change in SWA I would argue ever and not a peep from SWAPA other than the typical how bad management is.

I don’t think SWA want’s to give up any part of CA. They know if they pull back, the network carriers will fill the void and SWA will never get it back. All the other carriers right size their markets with appropriate gauge of aircraft. Obviously a huge void that SWA has. SWAPA has the best section 1 restrictions in the industry by far. It’s pretty explicit that SWAPA and SWA have to agree to any changes to section 1. The current SWA leadership or next( most likely the next) is/has/will discuss this. It doesn’t make any sense that this schedule didn’t tweak anything on the west coast. Basically, according to AW, the weakest part of the network. Just seems to be a piece of puzzle still missing.

Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3840805)

I agree that they won't cede an inch in California. They spent years fighting to maintain their dominance there and it is super lucrative as there is just so much money and business in California. I think the point of the comments is that California no longer has a strong intra California business flyer market that SWA used to depend on for higher yield tickets pre Covid. They are going to have to reconfigure the network to maximize yield or start competing for different customers. That's way above my level of airline knowledge, though. A retreat of SWA in California would be a huge signal of impending financial declines and other airlines would quickly fill the void.

Investor day had a lot going on. Most of it was signaling as part of the impending proxy war. The ATL cuts are predictable and that decision wasn't made recently. Just look at the scale and distance of the BNA crew base without an 800 pound gorilla breathing down their neck. ATL is a dead man walking. I am truly sorry to the people affected there, but it is what it is, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by REF 5 (Post 3840831)

Yields are not just the product you produce but also the supply in it. The supply is just as important. All the airlines have cut capacity in the third and fourth quarter and RASM is already improving. The only way they keep it(CA) is to take capacity down but yet offer enough frequency to stay competitive. You can only do that with a smaller aircraft. Right sizing the market. A big hole SWA doesn’t have.

As far as ATL, the new CEO at SWA will finish what BJ started. It sucks.

Originally Posted by Grease5667 (Post 3840884)

Regardless of who ends up running the ship, the list will stagnate for a long time. Unless things change unexpectedly, this airline will furlough eventually. The group doesnt have the desire for a pay cut to keep people on property, especially since they are still running the 500 hour wonder new hire courses.

Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3840895)

Furlough? Nah. Stagnate? Absolutely.

Originally Posted by Grease5667 (Post 3840920)

The only reason they haven't yet is because it would effectively end their 225 pipeine and put a major wrench into the AQP Program. It's coming.

Originally Posted by Grease5667 (Post 3840920)

The only reason they haven't yet is because it would effectively end their 225 pipeine and put a major wrench into the AQP Program. It's coming.