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flyguy81 09-27-2025 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by REF 5 (Post 3953945)
When SWAPA did the last polling they mentioned smaller bases. Which means something probably the company has brought up or thinking about.

we don’t need to be like Skywest with 100 bases of 20 people.

Profane Kahuna 09-27-2025 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by JungleJetDriver (Post 3953890)
What would be the estimated EFC time for a new hire to get ATL base, with MCO or BNA as a second and third choice?



ATL is being drawn down. Sucks for those that live there, but the writing is on the wall.


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Saint41 09-28-2025 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 3953971)
we don’t need to be like Skywest with 100 bases of 20 people.

SkyWest isnt allowed to displace people out of base based on seasonality and planning numbers.

They just flow pilots from one base to another via trip planning or deadheads

Traffic Alert 09-28-2025 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 3953971)
we don’t need to be like Skywest with 100 bases of 20 people.

The best option is co-terminals but the boomers freaked out. Company can just add bases without our approval. I suspect there will be a few satellite bases announced (SAN, SMF, TPA) and a main bases of MCI. We are our own worst enemy sometimes.

REF 5 09-28-2025 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by Saint41 (Post 3954178)
SkyWest isnt allowed to displace people out of base based on seasonality and planning numbers.

They just flow pilots from one base to another via trip planning or deadheads


That is something SWAPA may have to look into at some point if this keeps up. Unfortunately nothing will change until the next bargaining cycle. Big loop hole from a network that doesn’t exist anymore.

flyguy81 09-28-2025 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by Saint41 (Post 3954178)
SkyWest isnt allowed to displace people out of base based on seasonality and planning numbers.

They just flow pilots from one base to another via trip planning or deadheads


point remains…they got a ton of bases and most are really small.

4V14T0R 09-30-2025 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 3954305)
point remains…they got a ton of bases and most are really small.

Yep. That would kill OT and TT.

Also, hopefully these displacements are just an overall realignment and not an annual thing.

Profane Kahuna 09-30-2025 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by 4V14T0R (Post 3954780)

Yep. That would kill OT and TT.

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How would that kill OT?

Weather would still happen. Vacation pulls would still happen. Mil leave pulls would still happen. Jury duty pulls, bereavement, etc. Those are the things that feed OT.




Originally Posted by 4V14T0R (Post 3954780)

Also, hopefully these displacements are just an overall realignment and not an annual thing.



If it saves the company a few bucks, they will likely do it again and again.


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4V14T0R 09-30-2025 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3954962)



How would that kill OT?

Weather would still happen. Vacation pulls would still happen. Mil leave pulls would still happen. Jury duty pulls, bereavement, etc. Those are the things that feed OT.






If it saves the company a few bucks, they will likely do it again and again.


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I suppose it's more of the concentration of OT and not necessarily the totality of it. As someone that lives in a base, I think it would be detrimental to my QOL. I can see how others would view that differently if the company happened to open a small base where they lived. On the TT issue, if you make bases too small it will become too difficult to find matchups. I think the same argument could be made for ELITT, yes some pulls but less variety and quantity to lube the system. The same reason we shouldn't want another aircraft type that does the same mission, it cannibalizes the market.

My point about the displacements is that hopefully this is just a realignment not an annual event. Something to persevere through not something to continually endure.

flensr 09-30-2025 02:44 PM

The way we do displacements here makes it 2x - 3x worse, but we wrote that into the contract so it's all on us.

If displaced pilots were moved only to bases that had openings, that would be the end of it. Instead, almost every displacement causes a secondary displacement. Then the next month those secondary displacements cause even more secondary displacements. Ultimately 2x to 3x the number of pilots are displaced, because that's how we said it should work in the contract.
It's not how I'd do it if I was king, but I'm not. And the people who actually LIKE the current system that causes so many displacements are extremely vocal about it, in the name of seniority. The only argument for or against how our displacements work can be simplified to "this is how we defined one aspect of seniority and we (should/should not) change it."

We define seniority completely differently in other parts of the contract. Displacements is the ONLY section of the contract where a pilot can take another pilot's bid award. The ONLY place. Everywhere else, once you're awarded something nobody but the company can take it from you.

Whether you like the current displacement process or not, it's disingenuous to try to hide behind the "seniority" argument without acknowledging that this is the ONLY part of the contract where a pilot can take another pilot's bid award, because we defined seniority differently here than we did elsewhere in the contract. Once you get past that indisputable fact, the rest is just your personal opinion, how much noise can you make, and how many votes can you generate next time the contract is up for revision. Just don't go so low as to try to pretend that this is one of the 7 divine rights of seniority or some such nonsense, because it's not. It's a contract definition that is unique in the SWA contract in that it gives one pilot the ability to simply take another pilot's bid award, whether you like it or not, whether you want to admit it or not.
The closest other contract provision to this "seniority" power is extra fly, where we can take a reserve assignment. But even with that, it's really an assignment not a bid award, there are established boundaries and speed bumps in the form of ownership preferences, and other limits on how and when a reserve award can be taken by someone else. Nowhere else can a pilot simply take a bid award from another pilot.


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