737CL Avionics Reliability Issues
 

"Southwest Airlines is beginning to run up against reliability, parts obsolescence and supply challenges with the attitude display indicator (ADI) on the 737 Classic fleet, says Kent Horton, Southwest’s director of engineering."



Southwest Faces 737 Classics Avionics Problems

Oh, Lord . . .

Put "Sweaty Betty" out to pasture . . . . please. She's old, she's tired, and now she gets confused, too. ;)

Yeah, just what we need..... LESS airframes on property with too many pilots. :confused:

Hopefully this is even more motivation to replace those tired old jets with leased NGs off the used market. However, I doubt the 78 -300s that were reskinned are going anywhere soon.

You forgot "she stinks".

Hey, they're a great way to keep that dreaded "Automation Dependency" in check. :D

They also help in the "no furlough" dept. too. ;)

Question from a non SWA guy..

Do the SWA jets have full on Nav displays eg...
Magenta line stuff or is it still glass displays
of round dials?

I recall long ago in one your jump seats
It looked a bit different from what I had seen
in other 737's

Thanks.

Kap

The NGs have the standard EFIS display now. We got rid of the "picture of round dials" a few years ago.

All of the "classics" have steam gauges in them.

It's actually called PFD/ND now.

Primary Flight Display/ Navigational Display

Yes it is.....

Is that not industry standard, or did we reinvent the wheel.........again?

Who else, but us and CAL used the POSG/HAND (Picture Of Steam Gauges Display/Half A$$ed Navigation Display)?

I just love internet forum pedantry! ;)

Boeing offers the gauge displays option on the NG's for the ease of transition. We probably asked for that.

Pardon me, for I am an outsider, and I know not what is the latest and greatest with the SWA 737 Classic cockpits, but what happened to this?

http://eaglesky.files.wordpress.com/...x285.jpg?w=593

I believe the vendor wasn't going to do it for peanuts. GK then lost interest.

Slightly off topic but has anyone heard what the MAX's overhead will be like?

I heard it's changed completely . . . . No eyebrow windows! :eek:

JK

I've set my hopes low:

1) Replace all the 687-powered annunciator lights with LEDs (less heat.)

2) Separate sound effects for the takeoff config and cabin altitude warnings

...but I'm standing by to be disappointed. :o

I have heard that the FAA has said that as soon as the first MAX shows up we won't be allowed to fly the Classic, NG, and MAX together in one bid group. So theoretically the remaining Classics will be sent to HOU & DAL.

However, with regard to #1 above, if they make the overhead 777-like I doubt that they'd be able to sneak it in under the same type. Who knows, but you're smart for not holding your breathe.

Also heard that the MAX will have crosshair FDs and the NGs will be flipped over to them as well. Don't know, don't care, just bring that effing overhead up to date for crying out loud.

The Classics were going to be retired sooner, so they decide not to do the LAD. Then we bought AirTran. A while later the 717 were going away. -300's staying longer to help replace the 88 B717 that are leaving.


(Disclaimer: The opinion is my own, and not that of Southwest Airlines Officers, Directors, or Employees.)

Back in October, I was a volunteer for a Boeing study in Seattle. According to a Boeing guy, the overhead will not be like the newer Boeing designs. He said if they did, the Feds would require a new type rating.

I'm hoping for toilet seats that will stand up and a decent cupholder. 40 million just doesn't buy the same luxuries that it used to.

&@/-ing ridiculous!!!!

WM,

We were briefed with the same info.

Once MAX is on property, we will not be allowed to fly Classic, NG and MAX in same trip.

Classic flying will be limited to a particular domicile.

Cockpit is a complete overhaul. Overhead, displays, and pedestal all new.

Overhead? Not so much.

http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/z...psa336465a.jpg

Displays? Yes. Pedestal? Nope.

http://worldairlinenews.files.wordpr...t-boeinglr.jpg

What an awful airplane. "woo pretty displays" Now sit in total discomfort for the next 6 hours...

While I was definitely hoping for more improvements, I'm not sure "awful" is accurate.

Thanks for the pics, 4th.

That's disappointing. I was hoping they would leave the '60s legacy stuff behind.

Oh, well. At least it'll be familiar. :D

WRT the overhead..............absolutely ridiculous.

http://www.betterphoto.com/uploads/p...appy_pan_t.jpg

...says the girly-man in his flying lazyboy. :D