I don't like line bidding either but the vacation trip drop associated with it is too good to give up. Four months out of each year most of us fly 6 days for very close to full line pay.

The other issue is the way PBS is being broached is sleazy. Rather than just put it in the TA with the parameters visible for all to see there will be a swapa committee talking with the company after the fact with minimal pilot input knowing swapa. Trust with the company and swapa is very low right now. This is a subject that needs to be discussed out in the open with lots of input, not in some closed door session.

I've been getting 45+ tfp pay per vacation week this year. Anyone that's even entertaining the thought of PBS on property needs to be.....well.......SHOT!

LOL. Agreed. And nice work on your vacation!

Well. I'm currently on vacation for the month of October and I'm working 7 days this month and crediting 92TFP with 19 consecutive days off.

I've worked under PBS and I was in the top 15% of the seniority list at the time. It isn't the worst thing in the world, however I will say that anyone that currently has at least 3 weeks of vacation at SWA will lose WAY more than they would ever gain from a PBS system at SWA. Sitting where I sit, I will vote no very loudly to any contract that includes Pref Bid.

So it seems the problem is with trips touching vacations and not PBS itself. At Delta we went to a vacation bank before PBS, so the PBS implementation did not affect vacation bidding. You can have PBS and trips touching vacation, they are two separate items.

In our experience, trips touching vacation could be a great deal for some pilots, a good deal for some pilots, and a bad deal for some pilots (especially on reserve). Vacation bank tends to level out the value of vacation across the pilot group. In the end, whether or not vacation bank is better or worse for the entire pilot group depends upon the value of the vacation day for the bank. If you made a vacation day worth 20 TFP (extreme example) you would get 140 TFP for 1 week's vacation. Same is true on the opposite end if you make a day worth 1 TFP.

Like I said, I don't care how you choose, just trying to learn.

I save that special place the the Master of Wah!

(I actually have agreed with him once or twice, but I may have been drinking at the time)

In my mind, there's more legit reasons to vote no. It clouds the real arguments to bring up the PBS red herring.

As the previous posters have testified, PBS is a non starter with SWAPA. I'll agree to meet and talk all they want...the answer is still NO.

Subsets? That concerns me.

Sec 1? That concerns me, but I think I trust the language.

retro v bonus. Still trying to figure out that math.

Retirement? I was hoping for more. Not sure if it's a total deal breaker yet.

I'm concerned that the wing of the SWAPA BOD that is trying to throw a coup is also the same group that doesn't trust it's own pilots to listen to the unions own paid industry analyst and is the loudest, angriest NO contingent.

"pick up my guitar and play...Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again"

Whack, did you just say something positive about SWA? I'm at a loss for words. :D

BTW, this "AF type" already voted "no".

I'm a straight shooter and call it as I see it, positive or negative.

amen whackmaster!!!!!

Frequently this translates as,"I'm no smarter than anyone else, but I think very much of my own opinion and can't keep my mouth shut."

I mean honestly, has anyone ever described themselves as a crooked shooter who's afraid of the truth?

If someone has to tell you they're honest, don't trust anything that follows.