T/A Fails
 

Good work!!!!


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61-39 approximately.

actually more like 62-38.

actually 61.64-38.36

Awesome. Nice job. I can't wait to see the new Detla and SW TA's.

News release:

Southwest Airlines Pilots Reject Tentative Agreement -- DALLAS, Nov. 4, 2015 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

The Crystal Palace is going to need to shelve their sparkley-new Code Share software that they were going to implement in early 2016.

Cry me a river. :p

Well done, guys! Maybe there's hope for us yet. Now, as much as PJ owned this TA, hopefully he will follow Donatelli's lead at DALPA and also do the right thing.

Imagine what the rejection percentage would've been had PJ and Co. (including the usual ex SWApullies and SWApologists) not sold it like a used car salesman on the last day of the month!

38% yes is far too high. Thanks yes voters, you've just extended the time it's gonna take to get an acceptable contract, because TA2 is gonna suck as well.

Glad to hear you guys/gals are willing to fight for it! Congrats!

Well said!

Pathetic. I'm happy that it failed but considering how concessionary it was and the negotiating environment we find ourselves in, it's still pathetic to have over a third vote YES.

Let the fun begin!:eek: Oh yeah dude....I only bug out till it is time to re-engage. Just like the freak show that was elected in the Great state of Texas I am baaaack. WM......don't get me going on who is pathetic. Glad to see you are happy for a few moments. As I said I sleep well at night. The results of this TA don't change a thing for me. Good luck!

The (can't get rid of me) Oscar

A lot of FATs were responsible for making it closer than it needed to be. ATL was the only domicile that passed the TA.

ATL is made up of probably 50% or more non-FATS right?

Guess what TH.....individuals voted the way they thought was in their best interests. Now you wish to demonize? The NO voters won. I get their concerns. Now the fun begins again. Anyone I see who demonizes someone will be challenged by me. I guess we will see how the employee code of conduct works.:eek: OBTW, just about every FAT I have flown with is awesome. The others were okay, just like any other SWA pilot if you ask me. I am not afraid of the future. Just worried about those we choose to represent us.......especially today.

Oscar out.

Only the captains..... I joke I joke

Funny......

.......not so much.

How about your favorite base WM? Phoenix just doesn't fit into your pilotopia does it? No former military pilots because they aren't as smart and as worthy as you would be your preference I believe. In your world all the FAT's in ATL should have overuled the others? You really got a chip. Just can't figure out where it is inserted can you?

The Oscar

You know what the really sad and pathetic thing is folks? We are probably stuck with Babbit and MVDV in the next round. I was hoping they would disappear. There continued employment is probably guaranteed.

The O

Pot, meet kettle.

hy·poc·ri·sy /həˈpäkrəsē/noun
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

I'm sorry. Are you complaining? Did you vote NO?

Just pointing out an anomaly there, Dad.

When SWAPA starts taking feedback from the pilot group about what we want in the next round of negotiations, perhaps we all need to voice our collective outrage about Babbit.

He needs to be removed from the process in its entirety. If we collectively stand together, he will be gone.

Sherpas who always arrive at the jet just before you and adjust your seat just the way you like it. Too much?

As long as we are being facetious, how about quit removing the retractable sun shades and printers from the new airplanes!? Maybe replace the clip on shades when they get all scratched up and nasty. And electric seats. (Along with my usual gripes: parking, crew meals, uniforms, gear pins, and babysitting).

Oh, and hotel language. No more hotels in business parks. Get rid of the BOS AM dump first. ��

You mean full forward and up? Apparently we already have those.

Based on your hot dog obsession, you would be up for DP 24/7.

Hahahaha. You're kidding, right? Zap, they actually removed all of the built in sunshades on the ex-AT 737s as well as the printers. So if you think they're going to order those on new jets when they deliberately removed them off of conversion aircraft, well......

Never claimed to perfect FTL. I fall victim to the same human failures that afflict many. In my case, I feel that I am able to recognize those failures with at least SOME moral code. Others don't recognize their decisions as anything but relative. Anything and everything they do is for selfish reasons. If their actions have a negative effect on others........it never enters their minds. One only needs to listen to some of the conversations I have had with my fellow pilots. I walk away thinking "why did they tell me that?" I guess I don't understand why someone would brag about doing something illegal or something that might get them killed by someone else's spouse.:eek: I just don't get it.

The (not so perfect) Oscar

Just curious FTL. I don't believe I have demonized anyone for their vote. Can you please point to a pot meet kettle moment.

Oscar might be a demon? Nice...... As I said before, I sleep well at night knowing that someone's husband or the police won't be knocking on my door. I will stay on APC to point out hypocrisy by all including myself if need be.

The Oscar

Fair enough, but this is an airline pilot forum so I am not sure why such things would be germane especially when the subject is a TA.

But you pique our curiosity nonetheless!

Pray tell..........

Dude, it's a joke. You were supposed to grin a little bit. I'm a FAT, and I (or a RSWer) can point out that a
disproportionate number of the fine ATL folks voted to accept the abortion. Doesn't mean I'm demonizing anyone, whatever that means.

You are seriously no fun whatsoever.

Well FTL, I will tell you why it is germane. Frankly their are folks who want me to trust their opinion on this failed TA. "Vote like a regional pilot" they have said. Or use demeaning descriptions of their fellow pilots, questioning their judgement and abilities to reason. Even going in some instances to the level of questioning their qualifications because they came from the military. I am at a point where I trust but verify everything. If they display a level of morality that makes me question them, then I probably won't trust them to influence my opinion. That goes for all backgrounds and experience.

The Oscar

BTW I was leaning NO for quite awhile. Then a few know-it-alls opened their mouths and I began to reconsider. My thought process was in the end there was too much risk. Let's now see if the gamble succeeds.

Hmmmm......which side of the wagons should I be on?:rolleyes:

I call BS. Sorry I had to laugh at that for a quick second. Okay I'm good now.

I voted No because the retirement didn't meet my expectations. If both a Delta pilot and a SW pilot have an identical pay rate the Delta pilot's take home is 10% greater because they don't need to invest 10% of their take home in their retirement plan (unless they want to). That said, I fully expect that the next TA won't happen until summer 2016 at the earliest and if the economy has taken a dive by that point we will be lucky if it is "flattish". So while I believe in standing up for yourself, I am also a realist. Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself even when you realize it's probably going to cost you in the end. I personally believe the next TA will be a shadow of what this one was with any improvements weighted towards the seniormost pilots.

Then it will fail.