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Originally Posted by allova736 (Post 2168853)

just have to know what size violin i should be playing.

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And that's why we can't have nice things.....

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Originally Posted by Black Coffee (Post 2168858)

This is why airline contracts drag out 4 years past the amendable date. Some pilots have no self worth when they manage 1.5 billion in liabilities per flight. Some pilots sleep in the crew room and some will fly all day without food. Some think it's ok to fly 400 hours more a year than their peers for the same money.

Bingo, and it's sickening to witness this lack of self-worth and respect for the profession. :mad:

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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2168912)

Bingo, and it's sickening to witness this lack of self-worth and respect for the profession. :mad:

Bingo your bingo. Without ambition and desire to improve one's station in life, we'd all still be living in caves and rubbing sticks together. Keep up the self deprecation, Neanderthals.

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Originally Posted by Black Coffee (Post 2168742)

the VP of SWA scheduling said if pilots don't like it here, they can leave.

Many of our PILOTS, (not to mention SWApA folks), have used this same line when folks have hinted that things might not be as rosy as they were led to believe.

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Originally Posted by SlipKid (Post 2169048)

Many of our PILOTS, (not to mention SWApA folks), have used this same line when folks have hinted that things might not be as rosy as they were led to believe.

I'd bet they're wildly outnumbered now. Between civilian newhires and AirTran folks there are plenty who know what benefits and quality of life are offered by the majors (and even a few regionals), that it's a lot harder to defend the way things are here.

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Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 2168748)

I have to ask, I'm not on your (SWA) level by any means but is life really that bad? Last time I checked you SW pilots don't have it too bad.

Define "that bad".

Compared to an entry level regional, yeah, we're doing pretty well, overall.

Thanks to the largesse on the part of OSWApA and the pilot group over the last few decades, much of our contract is more closely comparable to the regionals or ULCCs (and in many ways, inferior) vs. our peers at other major airlines.

We are, when you count inflation and the paltry, sub COL "raises" we've gotten, making less than we were a decade ago.

We haven't even had a sub COL raise in the 5 years since the contract became amendable, unless you count the 0% 2012 "raise" that was so shrewdly "negotiated" for by SWApA, in exchange for the privilege of flying longer duty days for the same or less pay in the 800 and a year extension to the current, concessionary contract. A true WIN!/WIN! (for the company).

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Originally Posted by Black Coffee (Post 2168742)

the VP of SWA scheduling said if pilots don't like it here, they can leave.

They must teach that tactic at some super secret leadership school. My boss in the AF said the exact same thing a few days ago. Check Please.

My last employer told me that I was lucky to have a job and that there were hundreds of pilots who wanted my job. I gave him the opportunity to fill it with someone else. I assume we are both much happier.

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Originally Posted by Black Coffee (Post 2168858)

True and SWA pilots are worst at this. Yeah I'm angry but heck yeah I'll fly that extra leg or day...voluntarily. It's the SWA way - we will really fight when released and not a day earlier - except for posting some angry stuff on boards. Yeah!!