SCOPE!

Filler

Anyone is high if they don't think a contract with legacy compensation (pay, retirement, profit sharing) and PBS would pass. Guys are leaving as fast as they can for delta and united pay and delta and united PBS. I'm confident that 90% of this group would go right over with them if they could take their seniority and longevity with them.

We're talking about 100% raises for most of the FOs and almost that high for many captains. Essentially it's about $100k/yr for almost everyone and for me about an additional $2 MILLION in retirement.

Most of our QOL comes from red/green. Everything else is standard or below. Most of the guys getting transition work over top of it to double dip for one week every month. How about double dipping the whole month and just bidding stuff you actually might want?

Listen I'm hugely against PBS because it's a staffing tool and I've been personally furloughed by a difference of one class so I know how important staffing is. Let's be honest though the numbers are staggering and if you want the mediator to think we are being reasonable with 70-100% compensation increases in one cycle something is gonna give. It's just a matter of what and how much. We deserve our cake and eat it too, I agree and I don't think anyone has said PBS for sure and if so a blank system with no rules. It would be industry standard rules. Let's wait and see what the company counters with in April after we submit our new economic proposal this month. Then we can tell them to pound sand.

I don't know what kind of seniority everyone's friends at the legacies have but most of mine have pretty killer qol across many seniorities except very new hires. All of them though are much richer than I though.

Most importantly SCOPE!!!! Unless you want to watch a bunch of spirit pax connect to their NAI codeshare to fly on widebody routes that otherwise would be ours. ULCC widebody flying Intl is the future and Spirit is gonna codeshare the crap out of it if we don't protect it.

PBS is a NO vote for me!!

Until I see the whole package, I can't say any one thing is a "no" or "yes". I'm not sure how anyone can be so certain, but what do I know?

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We know some work rules are going to be sacrificed to obtain a legacy compensation package (Pay, Retirement, Profit Sharing); transition language for sure. With the upcoming ULCC battle for flights to Europe on the horizon I would like to see what is written in for scope as well as long term disability.

So you would vote no if the TA was identical to Delta's current contract +1?

Why don't we wait to see what the TA looks like before we go making blanket statements. Everything has a price and if they want PBS they are going to have to fork out some major moolah.

Yeah I don't know what scares me more: a code share with another domestic ULCC, Or a code share with NAI.

Or WOW or whatever is next to come out of the ULCC European market. Others will follow NAI and WOW once they get established.

Brah, you don't know how good we have it here brah, the work rules here are phenomenal. I golf with Captains at the legacy carriers, they are way envious of our transition and my 4 days off. I would be taking a huge step back to go to any of those carriers brah. I mean, I would consider pay raised of like 4-5% if we can keep all these sick sweet rules brah. PBS, absolutely not! They could give me UPS plus 10% and I'm still a no vote. The transition dog, it's all about that transition. Every other month brah I play the company like fools! We have it so good hear brah! Never forget it!