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Some Facts about Spirit. Do you agree?
- Spirit is losing is some of its highly experienced and quality pilots, which will be almost impossible to replace. They will end up hiring pilots with much lower qualifications, due to current hiring trends and future pilot shortage projections. One major accident or incident, due to pilot error will cost any airline millions of dollars. There is a big difference between highly experienced and qualified pilot and a pilot with minimum experience. Compare Sullenberger (USAirways -Hudson case) with Colgan (Buffalo, NY case). They better offer a contract, before it's too late. Ultimately, the may end up paying more to least qualified pilots.
- New contract will higher the pilot morale, which in turn will improve performance. Pilots will be more motivated to go above and beyond their pilot duties to respond to airline's needs. Pilots are the main players of any airline operations, they better keep them happy. Also, Fortune 500 companies, all have happy employees. - Current cancellations are hurting airline's reputation even more. - I believe it will be smart for any major airline to buy Spirit and continue it's low cost operations, but label it differently and differentiate it, so customers will know what they are getting, instead of surprise charges. For example: Delta Save, United Value, Southwest's Spirit... Same as what Uber did, when it came out with Uber Pool. Spirit will have much fewer angry customers, because customers will know what are getting. Meanwhile, they could fill other major airlines empty seats, with shared operations. Most of the customers who flew Spirit, they didn't even realize it was an ULCC. I talked to at least 10-15 customers JetBlue has Mint, is an example of differentiation. - It's unfair to rank Spirit as a worst airline in customer service, because it does not charge for service, it's a value airline. They should stop comparing it with JetBlue and others, who charge for service. - finally, Spirit management should understand that low cost operations, should not include employee privileges, if they want to be successful and survive for a long time. To the contrary, they have to have the best employee benefits. Example: Southwest Airline Do you agree with my facts? |
They're not really facts. They're a bulleted list of opinions that you clearly have strong opinions about.
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The last bullet point doesn't even make sense. Are you sure you used bing translate properly?
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The company could care less about the quality of pilots as long as they're not bending metal. You're a number in a spreadsheet.
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Originally Posted by nichale
(Post 2314991)
- I believe it will be smart for any major airline to buy Spirit and continue it's low cost operations, but label it differently and differentiate it, so customers will know what they are getting, instead of surprise charges.
The reality is if another airline buys Spirit, Spirit will be gone for better or worse for us. |
Originally Posted by nichale
(Post 2314991)
- Spirit is losing is some of its highly experienced and quality pilots, which will be almost impossible to replace. They will end up hiring pilots with much lower qualifications, due to current hiring trends and future pilot shortage projections. One major accident or incident, due to pilot error will cost any airline millions of dollars. There is a big difference between highly experienced and qualified pilot and a pilot with minimum experience. Compare Sullenberger (USAirways -Hudson case) with Colgan (Buffalo, NY case). They better offer a contract, before it's too late. Ultimately, the may end up paying more to least qualified pilots.
- New contract will higher the pilot morale, which in turn will improve performance. Pilots will be more motivated to go above and beyond their pilot duties to respond to airline's needs. Pilots are the main players of any airline operations, they better keep them happy. Also, Fortune 500 companies, all have happy employees. - Current cancellations are hurting airline's reputation even more. - I believe it will be smart for any major airline to buy Spirit and continue it's low cost operations, but label it differently and differentiate it, so customers will know what they are getting, instead of surprise charges. For example: Delta Save, United Value, Southwest's Spirit... Same as what Uber did, when it came out with Uber Pool. Spirit will have much fewer angry customers, because customers will know what are getting. Meanwhile, they could fill other major airlines empty seats, with shared operations. Most of the customers who flew Spirit, they didn't even realize it was an ULCC. I talked to at least 10-15 customers JetBlue has Mint, is an example of differentiation. - It's unfair to rank Spirit as a worst airline in customer service, because it does not charge for service, it's a value airline. They should stop comparing it with JetBlue and others, who charge for service. - finally, Spirit management should understand that low cost operations, should not include employee privileges, if they want to be successful and survive for a long time. To the contrary, they have to have the best employee benefits. Example: Southwest Airline Do you agree with my facts? |
Anything that will "higher" pilot morale
English bro,learn it. |
Originally Posted by nichale
(Post 2314991)
- For example: Delta Save, United Value, Southwest's Spirit...
That's what you meant, I'm Sure(jet) |
Ironically a lot of people take uberpool without knowing what uberpool is or how it works- they just see the lower fare and are hooked.
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Originally Posted by Torch47x
(Post 2315229)
Anything that will "higher" pilot morale
English bro,learn it. |
Originally Posted by RonnyK320
(Post 2315475)
You're supposed to put a space after a comma :)
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Originally Posted by NoAccoutrements
(Post 2315549)
You're supposed to put a punctuation mark at the end of a sentence.
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Originally Posted by RonnyK320
(Post 2315475)
You're supposed to put a space after a comma :)
Originally Posted by NoAccoutrements
(Post 2315549)
You're supposed to put a punctuation mark at the end of a sentence.
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Originally Posted by nichale
(Post 2314991)
- Spirit is losing is some of its highly experienced and quality pilots, which will be almost impossible to replace. They will end up hiring pilots with much lower qualifications, due to current hiring trends and future pilot shortage projections. One major accident or incident, due to pilot error will cost any airline millions of dollars. There is a big difference between highly experienced and qualified pilot and a pilot with minimum experience. Compare Sullenberger (USAirways -Hudson case) with Colgan (Buffalo, NY case). They better offer a contract, before it's too late. Ultimately, the may end up paying more to least qualified pilots.
- New contract will higher the pilot morale, which in turn will improve performance. Pilots will be more motivated to go above and beyond their pilot duties to respond to airline's needs. Pilots are the main players of any airline operations, they better keep them happy. Also, Fortune 500 companies, all have happy employees. - Current cancellations are hurting airline's reputation even more. - I believe it will be smart for any major airline to buy Spirit and continue it's low cost operations, but label it differently and differentiate it, so customers will know what they are getting, instead of surprise charges. For example: Delta Save, United Value, Southwest's Spirit... Same as what Uber did, when it came out with Uber Pool. Spirit will have much fewer angry customers, because customers will know what are getting. Meanwhile, they could fill other major airlines empty seats, with shared operations. Most of the customers who flew Spirit, they didn't even realize it was an ULCC. I talked to at least 10-15 customers JetBlue has Mint, is an example of differentiation. - It's unfair to rank Spirit as a worst airline in customer service, because it does not charge for service, it's a value airline. They should stop comparing it with JetBlue and others, who charge for service. - finally, Spirit management should understand that low cost operations, should not include employee privileges, if they want to be successful and survive for a long time. To the contrary, they have to have the best employee benefits. Example: Southwest Airline Do you agree with my facts? That is all. :D |
Originally Posted by Tranquility
(Post 2315719)
AYBABTU....
That is all. :D |
Originally Posted by nichale
(Post 2314991)
- Spirit is losing is some of its highly experienced and quality pilots, which will be almost impossible to replace. They will end up hiring pilots with much lower qualifications, due to current hiring trends and future pilot shortage projections. One major accident or incident, due to pilot error will cost any airline millions of dollars. There is a big difference between highly experienced and qualified pilot and a pilot with minimum experience. Compare Sullenberger (USAirways -Hudson case) with Colgan (Buffalo, NY case). They better offer a contract, before it's too late. Ultimately, the may end up paying more to least qualified pilots.
- New contract will higher the pilot morale, which in turn will improve performance. Pilots will be more motivated to go above and beyond their pilot duties to respond to airline's needs. Pilots are the main players of any airline operations, they better keep them happy. Also, Fortune 500 companies, all have happy employees. - Current cancellations are hurting airline's reputation even more. - I believe it will be smart for any major airline to buy Spirit and continue it's low cost operations, but label it differently and differentiate it, so customers will know what they are getting, instead of surprise charges. For example: Delta Save, United Value, Southwest's Spirit... Same as what Uber did, when it came out with Uber Pool. Spirit will have much fewer angry customers, because customers will know what are getting. Meanwhile, they could fill other major airlines empty seats, with shared operations. Most of the customers who flew Spirit, they didn't even realize it was an ULCC. I talked to at least 10-15 customers JetBlue has Mint, is an example of differentiation. - It's unfair to rank Spirit as a worst airline in customer service, because it does not charge for service, it's a value airline. They should stop comparing it with JetBlue and others, who charge for service. - finally, Spirit management should understand that low cost operations, should not include employee privileges, if they want to be successful and survive for a long time. To the contrary, they have to have the best employee benefits. Example: Southwest Airline Do you agree with my facts? |
Originally Posted by Torch47x
(Post 2315229)
Anything that will "higher" pilot morale
English bro,learn it. |
Originally Posted by nichale
(Post 2314991)
- Spirit is losing is some of its highly experienced and quality pilots, which will be almost impossible to replace. They will end up hiring pilots with much lower qualifications, due to current hiring trends and future pilot shortage projections. One major accident or incident, due to pilot error will cost any airline millions of dollars. There is a big difference between highly experienced and qualified pilot and a pilot with minimum experience. Compare Sullenberger (USAirways -Hudson case) with Colgan (Buffalo, NY case). They better offer a contract, before it's too late. Ultimately, the may end up paying more to least qualified pilots.
- New contract will higher the pilot morale, which in turn will improve performance. Pilots will be more motivated to go above and beyond their pilot duties to respond to airline's needs. Pilots are the main players of any airline operations, they better keep them happy. Also, Fortune 500 companies, all have happy employees. - Current cancellations are hurting airline's reputation even more. - I believe it will be smart for any major airline to buy Spirit and continue it's low cost operations, but label it differently and differentiate it, so customers will know what they are getting, instead of surprise charges. For example: Delta Save, United Value, Southwest's Spirit... Same as what Uber did, when it came out with Uber Pool. Spirit will have much fewer angry customers, because customers will know what are getting. Meanwhile, they could fill other major airlines empty seats, with shared operations. Most of the customers who flew Spirit, they didn't even realize it was an ULCC. I talked to at least 10-15 customers JetBlue has Mint, is an example of differentiation. - It's unfair to rank Spirit as a worst airline in customer service, because it does not charge for service, it's a value airline. They should stop comparing it with JetBlue and others, who charge for service. - finally, Spirit management should understand that low cost operations, should not include employee privileges, if they want to be successful and survive for a long time. To the contrary, they have to have the best employee benefits. Example: Southwest Airline Do you agree with my facts? 1- New contract = more applicants and a more pilots sticking around. Pilots will still leave for AA, DA, FedEx, SWA, UA, and UPS at the same rate. 2- Spirit is an ultra cost carrier, who should they compare them self to, a regional perhaps? 3- Not low cost, ULTRA LOW COST. You are using SWA (no where close to Spirit) but don't want to use JetBlue (much closer to Spirit). Me confused, why??? Here's a solution... You have a good pilot group and a strong union. Unionize your pilot group and strike! Spring Break would be the best time to strike. I mean sh*t guys, regional CRJ200 pilots are making more.. h*ll first year FOs at a regional are making more. ALPA did pretty well for Delta and UA, its your turn, get them to work!!!!!!! |
Originally Posted by Torch47x
(Post 2315229)
Anything that will "higher" pilot morale
English bro,learn it. Dear English Profession aka Torch47, "English bro,learn it." ----> "English bro, learn it." Notice the space? You're one silly pilot. :-) |
Originally Posted by Flying101
(Post 2316044)
Kidding aside....
1- New contract = more applicants and a more pilots sticking around. Pilots will still leave for AA, DA, FedEx, SWA, UA, and UPS at the same rate. 2- Spirit is an ultra cost carrier, who should they compare them self to, a regional perhaps? 3- Not low cost, ULTRA LOW COST. You are using SWA (no where close to Spirit) but don't want to use JetBlue (much closer to Spirit). Me confused, why??? Here's a solution... You have a good pilot group and a strong union. Unionize your pilot group and strike! Spring Break would be the best time to strike. I mean sh*t guys, regional CRJ200 pilots are making more.. h*ll first year FOs at a regional are making more. ALPA did pretty well for Delta and UA, its your turn, get them to work!!!!!!! If you get your jollies from trolling the Spirit threads and laugh at our pay, while ignoring yours, thats fine. But it sure reminds me of a fan in the stands at an NBA game, telling an NBA player that he sucks. However, in the end, he is still an NBA player and you are still in the stands. So you can laugh at our pay, its going to go up, how much will yours go up at your regional? |
Originally Posted by OneEyedMonster
(Post 2316053)
Im confused..this coming from a 10 year CRJ CA, making $89 an hour? Whats your end goal, $108 an hour at an 18 YEAR PAY SCALE!!!
If you get your jollies from trolling the Spirit threads and laugh at our pay, while ignoring yours, thats fine. But it sure reminds me of a fan in the stands at an NBA game, telling an NBA player that he sucks. However, in the end, he is still an NBA player and you are still in the stands. So you can laugh at our pay, its going to go up, how much will yours go up at your regional? - I only hit 9 year pay at a regional. - Above $108 per hour now. |
Originally Posted by Flying101
(Post 2316057)
You must be confused, not a CRJ CA nor at a regional. First of all..Yes, the pay is very laughable, sorry! Secondly, ignoring mine? Not sure what you mean by that. NBA comprising is actually pretty clever, however in this case, you're playing single A and I'm at the Majors :-)
- I only hit 9 year pay at a regional. - Above $108 per hour now. You finally flying a plane with engine mounted wings? Or are you on the MD80? Congrats though, seriously. You just hit second year pay and with your long call reserve, youll break $100k this year. That must be exciting for you to reach the milestone in your career, as a "Major league" player like yourself. |
Originally Posted by Flying101
(Post 2316051)
WoW and Spirit pilots wonder why they can't get a good contract. Torch47x you read that entire post and the only thing you picked up on was "higher". You are one sharp pilot man, good work!
Dear English Profession aka Torch47, "English bro,learn it." ----> "English bro, learn it." Notice the space? You're one silly pilot. :-) English, bro, learn it. Unless, of course, he is from England and is a bro. Then I suppose you're correct. I'm a little bit rusty on capitalization of kinships. I'm probably incorrect, too. |
Originally Posted by OneEyedMonster
(Post 2316060)
I guess AA finally called you back after shelving you for a year. Maybe AA can stop holding DAL and UAL back on the Legacy front with pay and benefits...you know, dragging down the Legacy pay rates.
You finally flying a plane with engine mounted wings? Or are you on the MD80? MD80, no way, training too hard. |
Does Spirit use Ipad EFB's? and if so are they full of colorful Lido charts?
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English profession?
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Originally Posted by Flying101
(Post 2316063)
Not a year, 8 months.. Don't be upset man, Spirit will get there pay up, it will all be okay. HaHa, dragging down the legacy? interesting.. AA sets the bar, Delta goes above, United goes above them, AA is next to negotiate.. my guess is they will top the scale, than DA will top them so on and so on and so.. Wait..What did Spirit do? Oh wait, nothing, still bottom.
MD80, no way, training too hard. No possible I can feel upset over this. Ill sleep well tonight knowing that as low as I am paid, ill make double what you will make. I think I have had enough fun with the troll tonight. Lifer regional at AWAC, finally got hired at AA, first year on the job, and acting like he has it all made. Nighty night... |
Originally Posted by OneEyedMonster
(Post 2316067)
Next year you'll make that magical $100k then. Keep working and learn that airplane. Soon your CAs will let you fly with more leeway and you will feel more comfortable with your flying skills in it.
No possible I can feel upset over this. Ill sleep well tonight knowing that as low as I am paid, ill make double what you will make. I think I have had enough fun with the troll tonight. Lifer regional at AWAC, finally got hired at AA, first year on the job, and acting like he has it all made. Nighty night... |
Originally Posted by Flying101
(Post 2316063)
Not a year, 8 months.. Don't be upset man, Spirit will get there pay up, it will all be okay. HaHa, dragging down the legacy? interesting.. AA sets the bar, Delta goes above, United goes above them, AA is next to negotiate.. my guess is they will top the scale, than DA will top them so on and so on and so.. Wait..What did Spirit do? Oh wait, nothing, still bottom.
MD80, no way, training too hard. |
Originally Posted by Flying101
(Post 2316063)
Not a year, 8 months.. Don't be upset man, Spirit will get there pay up, it will all be okay. HaHa, dragging down the legacy? interesting.. AA sets the bar, Delta goes above, United goes above them, AA is next to negotiate.. my guess is they will top the scale, than DA will top them so on and so on and so.. Wait..What did Spirit do? Oh wait, nothing, still bottom.
MD80, no way, training too hard. |
Originally Posted by Gert B Frobe
(Post 2316065)
Does Spirit use Ipad EFB's? and if so are they full of colorful Lido charts?
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Originally Posted by Flying101
(Post 2316044)
Here's a solution... You have a good pilot group and a strong union. Unionize your pilot group and strike! Spring Break would be the best time to strike. I mean sh*t guys, regional CRJ200 pilots are making more.. h*ll first year FOs at a regional are making more. ALPA did pretty well for Delta and UA, its your turn, get them to work!!!!!!!
Edit: reading further into the thread it looks like you made it to mainline. My, how the bar has fallen. God help this profession. |
Originally Posted by Timeismoney
(Post 2316210)
It's time for you to go! Don't let the door hit you in the ***. Oh, don't forget your HAT!
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Originally Posted by 3inthegreen
(Post 2316231)
Must be PHL 190, he is a big leaguer for sure now!
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Originally Posted by gatorbird
(Post 2316339)
Your username doesn't tell the whole story; my guess is you haven't made it past the 100 level course yet. You certainly don't have a clue how the RLA negotiating process works...
Edit: reading further into the thread it looks like you made it to mainline. My, how the bar has fallen. God help this profession. |
Originally Posted by Flying101
(Post 2316360)
Bar has fallen.. Airbus Captian making regional pay. Good work Captain!
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Stop replying to this troll...it's the quickest way to make them go away. That and add him to your ignore list too.
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Seriously this thread is useless. Not even entertaining
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Originally Posted by nichale
(Post 2316038)
This happens when English is your forth language, and you are still learning!!!
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