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Qotsaautopilot 04-14-2017 06:42 AM

Block or better
 
Anyone notice that the company has stopped paying block or better on a leg by leg basis like they have been for over 6 years?

They are now "following the contract" and paying block or better on a duty period basis. Meaning if you have a two leg day and you under block the first leg by 10 minutes and over block the second by 11 minutes you will only get ONE minute of overs for that duty period instead of the 11 they've been paying for 6 years.

This is contract compliant and the most substandard language I've ever heard of (how bout those awesome work rules eh). However, it goes against the status quo of how they have been paying for 6 years. Is this not a status quo violation???

hockeypilot44 04-14-2017 06:44 AM

If true, this is an easy fix. Never fly any leg under block.

Plane Ramrod 04-14-2017 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2343159)
However, it goes against the status quo of how they have been paying for 6 years. Is this not a status quo violation???

Perfectly legal. I think instead of status quo, you mean past practice but that doesn't apply if the contract language is clear, which it is. We went through this when the company changed block time from door close to wheel roll. You can bet if they had the technology to report wheel roll under aircraft power we would be using that too.

IWalkJun12 04-14-2017 07:53 AM

Program mcdu after push

DFWLECNOW 04-14-2017 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2343159)
Anyone notice that the company has stopped paying block or better on a leg by leg basis like they have been for over 6 years?

They are now "following the contract" and paying block or better on a duty period basis. Meaning if you have a two leg day and you under block the first leg by 10 minutes and over block the second by 11 minutes you will only get ONE minute of overs for that duty period instead of the 11 they've been paying for 6 years.

This is contract compliant and the most substandard language I've ever heard of (how bout those awesome work rules eh). However, it goes against the status quo of how they have been paying for 6 years. Is this not a status quo violation???

Yep, just heard the same thing. No more block or better by leg. Thanks for the pay cut!

northdakota 04-14-2017 10:50 AM

Won' be a paycut for me. Safe taxi speed (AIM says fast walk, it would take me 28 minutes to fast walk 2 miles from gate to runway), double check everything, go-around if at all unstable, toga for safety. Dang this summer is gonna be fun!

IWalkJun12 04-14-2017 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by northdakota (Post 2343334)
Won' be a paycut for me. Safe taxi speed (AIM says fast walk, it would take me 28 minutes to fast walk 2 miles from gate to runway), double check everything, go-around if at all unstable, toga for safety. Dang this summer is gonna be fun!

I think they took that out of the AIM, but it's a good rule to live by.

Jett i son 04-14-2017 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by IWalkJun12 (Post 2343205)
Program mcdu after push

Doesn't everyone do that?
Helps with on time performance... :D

Qotsaautopilot 04-14-2017 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Jett i son (Post 2343544)
Doesn't everyone do that?
Helps with on time performance... :D

Just so this doesn't get used against us later, obviously you're joking because how and when to program the mcdu is in the AOM

abbynormallaw 04-14-2017 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by northdakota (Post 2343334)
Won' be a paycut for me. Safe taxi speed (AIM says fast walk, it would take me 28 minutes to fast walk 2 miles from gate to runway), double check everything, go-around if at all unstable, toga for safety. Dang this summer is gonna be fun!

Is it a fast walk now.. I though it was a brisk walk? lol.. I kid. But 7-10 kts seem extremely brisk/fast to me!


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