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Anonymous86 05-26-2017 07:13 AM

Spirit pilot preferential path to majors
 
A recruiter at a Job fair recently told me that you will start seeing more Pilots being interviewed/hired from Spirit in the next few months to the majors. One way to beat your competitors is to capitalize on the carnage, seems logical.

Anyone here get a call recently?

pilot0987 05-26-2017 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous86 (Post 2369861)
A recruiter at a Job fair recently told me that you will start seeing more Pilots being interviewed/hired from Spirit in the next few months to the majors. One way to beat your competitors is to capitalize on the carnage, seems logical.

Anyone here get a call recently?

Lol, someone got you all pumped up. Spirit is not a major competition for the big 3. Maybe the other ulcc out there.

Planepirate 05-26-2017 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by pilot0987 (Post 2369889)
Lol, someone got you all pumped up. Spirit is not a major competition for the big 3. Maybe the other ulcc out there.

Well the preferential hiring thing may or may not be true, but spirit is absolutely competitive with the big 3, albeit on a small scale. Why do you think they are selling their own "bare fare". Also, frontier, allegiant, and spirit hardly overlap at all. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way.

putzin 05-26-2017 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by pilot0987 (Post 2369889)
Lol, someone got you all pumped up. Spirit is not a major competition for the big 3. Maybe the other ulcc out there.

I always have to wonder about this attitude. Lol... And American was very aggressive in DFW to an airline that you think they didn't see as a threat. Yes?

Let me ask you, who has conformed to whoms model? Who has changed their pricing structures? Even if it is a small percentage, the spirits/frontiers/virgins/jetblues of the world have had an impact, for better or worse.

Cheers

Justmeagain 05-26-2017 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous86 (Post 2369861)
A recruiter at a Job fair recently told me that you will start seeing more Pilots being interviewed/hired from Spirit in the next few months to the majors. One way to beat your competitors is to capitalize on the carnage, seems logical.

Anyone here get a call recently?

Let's say I was Jyri and wanted prospective pilot candidates to get excited about Spirit. Maybe decide that they'll hold their nose and apply here, seeing it as a path to the legacies. I might create or have someone else create a new username and float a completely stupid, baseless rumor on APC, knowing that pilots will read it.

The numbers don't support this nonsense, as the regionals supply many more guys in a month to the legacies, than Spirit does in a year. Go away Troll and get a life! Anyone that seriously thinks the legacies care about an A320 type/experience from Spirit is delusional!

TheRaven 05-26-2017 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2369917)

Let me ask you, who has conformed to whoms model?

Whoms?......

Drofdeb 05-26-2017 02:38 PM

Spirit is not a threat to American united delta. Yup thats why they now have basic economy blah blah.:p:rolleyes:

Anonymous86 05-26-2017 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by Justmeagain (Post 2369954)
Let's say I was Jyri and wanted prospective pilot candidates to get excited about Spirit. Maybe decide that they'll hold their nose and apply here, seeing it as a path to the legacies. I might create or have someone else create a new username and float a completely stupid, baseless rumor on APC, knowing that pilots will read it.

The numbers don't support this nonsense, as the regionals supply many more guys in a month to the legacies, than Spirit does in a year. Go away Troll and get a life! Anyone that seriously thinks the legacies care about an A320 type/experience from Spirit is delusional!

Rest assured you prefer to attack the messenger because you did not like the message Jyri

ecam 05-27-2017 10:09 AM

Not bad for a second post "anonymous".

As an innocent bystander looking in, this subforum is the gift that keeps on giving for entertainment. Your management must REALLY think you guys are stupid with all of this creative trolling they and their lawyers are doing.

There must be some serious cash flooding into a judge's offshore account for him to admit this nonsense as evidence of a work action. Anyone could be anyone, and your management is clearly more interested in setting you up to cover for their mismanagement rather than actually running an airline.

Anonymous86 05-27-2017 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by ecam (Post 2370337)
Not bad for a second post "anonymous".

As an innocent bystander looking in, this subforum is the gift that keeps on giving for entertainment. Your management must REALLY think you guys are stupid with all of this creative trolling they and their lawyers are doing.

There must be some serious cash flooding into a judge's offshore account for him to admit this nonsense as evidence of a work action. Anyone could be anyone, and your management is clearly more interested in setting you up to cover for their mismanagement rather than actually running an airline.

A true conspiracy theorist. But not the case I assure you. Any Spirit pilot just needs to have an application filed with their airline of choice. The rest will happen.

Alphafloor 05-27-2017 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Anonymous86 (Post 2370348)
A true conspiracy theorist. But not the case I assure you. Any Spirit pilot just needs to have an application filed with their airline of choice. The rest will happen.

Nice try troll,... Now I'm actually starting to believe we really are having a hard time filling classes. The reality is most pilots would be much better off riding it out at their commuter airline of choice. This place has an industry recognized standard of providing horrible customer service and it is correctly assumed that the employees share that attitude. The "stench" of being a Spirit Airlines pilot is going to be impossible to wash off. A pilot candidate at Delta or American would have a much better chance of getting hired if they did not have Spirit on their resume. That's the rumor I have heard at the job fairs:)

Drofdeb 05-27-2017 06:51 PM

If you believe that working at this place is going to enhance your resume for the majors, you are sorely mistaken. Of the 2000 guys ++ hired at the majors so far this year, maybe 30 were from Spirit. Lol your chances are 1.5 %. Or less. :D

gatorbird 05-28-2017 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Alphafloor (Post 2370389)
A pilot candidate at Delta or American would have a much better chance of getting hired if they did not have Spirit on their resume. That's the rumor I have heard at the job fairs:)

Heard exactly this from Aero Crew Solutions 3 years ago, at least as it pertains to Delta. Our company's customer service woes are world-renowned and it's believed it may carry over to the pilot culture. After all, lot of pilots can fly, but how much customer service experience do we have?

Can't say it's not at least a partly deserved reputation, with some bad apples spoiling the whole bunch. But hey, how can we blame the pilot whose customer service ambassador was the guy who coined "let them tell the world how bad we are!"?

gringo 05-28-2017 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by gatorbird (Post 2370667)
Heard exactly this from Aero Crew Solutions 3 years ago, at least as it pertains to Delta. Our company's customer service woes are world-renowned and it's believed it may carry over to the pilot culture. After all, lot of pilots can fly, but how much customer service experience do we have?

Can't say it's not at least a partly deserved reputation, with some bad apples spoiling the whole bunch. But hey, how can we blame the pilot whose customer service ambassador was the guy who coined "let them tell the world how bad we are!"?

This is total nonsense. I don't believe this for a second, and neither should you.

Unlike our worthless short-term rent-a-management, Spirit pilots by and large have a vested interest in keeping this ship afloat, and we go out of our way to assist the flying public, our passengers, the very people who make our mortgages and boat payments and college tuitions possible.

Our leadership team might be amateurs, but the Pilot group has always been the epitome of the "consummate professional."

Acehole 05-28-2017 02:41 PM

Isn't the Aero Crew Solutions guy a Delta pilot!?!?!?!

gringo 05-28-2017 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Acehole (Post 2370788)
Isn't the Aero Crew Solutions guy a Delta pilot!?!?!?!

Indeed he is.

Qotsaautopilot 05-28-2017 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by gringo (Post 2370726)
This is total nonsense. I don't believe this for a second, and neither should you.

Unlike our worthless short-term rent-a-management, Spirit pilots by and large have a vested interest in keeping this ship afloat, and we go out of our way to assist the flying public, our passengers, the very people who make our mortgages and boat payments and college tuitions possible.

Our leadership team might be amateurs, but the Pilot group has always been the epitome of the "consummate professional."

Industry standard pilots pay cash and don't have payments

FlyBoat 05-28-2017 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2370852)
Industry standard pilots pay cash and don't have payments

What a stupid response...🙄🙄

Qotsaautopilot 05-28-2017 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by FlyBoat (Post 2370889)
What a stupid response...🙄🙄

Hey I agree with the guy. I love our passengers and am not lost on the fact that they pay my mortgage and many spirit pilot boat payments. My point was a bit of a joke but also if we were getting industry standard compensation many pilots could pay cash for their boats and not have the burden of a monthly payment.

Flyondawall 05-29-2017 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by gatorbird (Post 2370667)
Heard exactly this from Aero Crew Solutions 3 years ago, at least as it pertains to Delta. Our company's customer service woes are world-renowned and it's believed it may carry over to the pilot culture. After all, lot of pilots can fly, but how much customer service experience do we have?

Can't say it's not at least a partly deserved reputation, with some bad apples spoiling the whole bunch. But hey, how can we blame the pilot whose customer service ambassador was the guy who coined "let them tell the world how bad we are!"?

That's ironic since Delta has been the one airline that has hired the majority of our pilots that have left Spirit seeking greener pastures.

Foodstamps 05-31-2017 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by gringo (Post 2370726)
This is total nonsense. I don't believe this for a second, and neither should you.

Unlike our worthless short-term rent-a-management, Spirit pilots by and large have a vested interest in keeping this ship afloat, and we go out of our way to assist the flying public, our passengers, the very people who make our mortgages and boat payments and college tuitions possible.

Our leadership team might be amateurs, but the Pilot group has always been the epitome of the "consummate professional."

If you can afford a boat payment or anyone's tuition besides dog training, you're not flying at Spirit my friend.

Foodstamps 05-31-2017 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by gringo (Post 2370793)
Indeed he is.

**OF COURSE he is....

2992set 06-06-2017 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by Flyondawall (Post 2370990)
That's ironic since Delta has been the one airline that has hired the majority of our pilots that have left Spirit seeking greener pastures.

these are the rumors that trickle down to us at the regionals. not sure how true it is but i keep hearing spirit asks in their interview "what will you do if we hire you and delta calls you in a year?"..from the tone of my posts I'm guessing this isn't true

Keizer Soze 06-07-2017 01:52 AM


Originally Posted by 2992set (Post 2375412)
these are the rumors that trickle down to us at the regionals. not sure how true it is but i keep hearing spirit asks in their interview "what will you do if we hire you and delta calls you in a year?"..from the tone of my posts I'm guessing this isn't true

I was asked this exact question in my interview with the exception of replace Delta with United.

2992set 06-07-2017 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by Keizer Soze (Post 2375447)
I was asked this exact question in my interview with the exception of replace Delta with United.

how did u answer it and were u given the cjo?

putzin 06-07-2017 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by 2992set (Post 2375499)
how did u answer it and were u given the cjo?

As with any interview, you tell them what they want to hear if you really want the job. They're stupid for even asking and hoping for a truthful answer.

Good luck.

Qotsaautopilot 06-07-2017 10:13 AM

It's ridiculous that they are asking that question to anyone interviewing today. If you say you wouldn't leave you're lying and if you say you would you probably won't be hired. I answered truthfully and said at this point in time (then) I wouldn't leave. With today's order book, today's contract, delta and uniteds current contracts there is no way I could answe that truthfully. As a new hire it's a no brainer.

The question is just routine for them and they need to stop asking it.

Keizer Soze 06-07-2017 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by 2992set (Post 2375499)
how did u answer it and were u given the cjo?

I told them the truth. I said at my age I am not interested in jumping around from airline to airline. I am looking for a home. If I am hired at Spirit I will pull all my resumes from other airlines so it won't even be an issue. Job offer a couple days later. I pulled all my resumes from other airlines the day I got the job offer. I have since renewed them and will keep them up to date until we ratify an industry standard contract.

willy2351 06-07-2017 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Anonymous86 (Post 2370348)
A true conspiracy theorist. But not the case I assure you. Any Spirit pilot just needs to have an application filed with their airline of choice. The rest will happen.

Ha. I have my app in at Southwest, Delta, American, and United, and haven't heard a peep. 6500 total, 1200 pic, 320 737 145 type, degree, volunteer work. I know several others that are in same boat, while my friends at regionals with similar credentials are getting picked up left and right.

I'm in agreement that having Spirit on my resume is a hindrance.

2992set 06-08-2017 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by willy2351 (Post 2375946)
Ha. I have my app in at Southwest, Delta, American, and United, and haven't heard a peep. 6500 total, 1200 pic, 320 737 145 type, degree, volunteer work. I know several others that are in same boat, while my friends at regionals with similar credentials are getting picked up left and right.

I'm in agreement that having Spirit on my resume is a hindrance.

Im at one of the regionals that flies for more than one mainline. so we get no flow or preferred interviews or anything. in my mind, why would united, etc. want to hire me if I'm technically already flying for them, if my company is having trouble hiring people, why would united want to hire me and then potentially cause the regional to cancel flights because lack of pilot. why hire from someone who already basically works for them, when they can hire from their competition ...do you get what Im trying to say? I've heard it called the regional conspiracy. what about jet blue guys do they have this problem? and do guys at allegiant and frontier have that "stink" on their resume also and have issues getting hired?

Gators 06-08-2017 03:57 PM

Spirit pilot preferential path to majors
 

Originally Posted by willy2351 (Post 2375946)
Ha. I have my app in at Southwest, Delta, American, and United, and haven't heard a peep. 6500 total, 1200 pic, 320 737 145 type, degree, volunteer work. I know several others that are in same boat, while my friends at regionals with similar credentials are getting picked up left and right.



I'm in agreement that having Spirit on my resume is a hindrance.



Have you attended WIA, OBAP, company specific job fairs, etc...? If not, that's probably the difference. If you have then I don't know what to tell you but to keep at it

Mister 06-09-2017 10:08 AM

Spirit job
 
How can I know when and where Spirit will be having job fairs?

Dukeuno 06-09-2017 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by Mister (Post 2376753)
How can I know when and where Spirit will be having job fairs?

Aero Crew Solutions, they are the ones that put on most of the Job Fairs that Spirit will attend.

Glenntilton 06-09-2017 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by willy2351 (Post 2375946)
Ha. I have my app in at Southwest, Delta, American, and United, and haven't heard a peep. 6500 total, 1200 pic, 320 737 145 type, degree, volunteer work. I know several others that are in same boat, while my friends at regionals with similar credentials are getting picked up left and right.

I'm in agreement that having Spirit on my resume is a hindrance.

That is strange. I jumpseat a lot, RJs and Spirit. If I had anything to do with hiring, I'd hire a Spirit pilot.


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