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Dont forget to tip your lap dancers as well.
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Tipping is no longer a tax write off
AS A WORD OF CAUTION, TIPPING IS NO LONGER A TAX WRITEOFF. THERE WAS A COURT CASE 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO TO THAT REGARD. IT IS SEEN AS PART OF YOUR PER DIEM NOW. JUST AS A HEADS UP.
Do whatever you want and blah blah blah about "if you get caught". I'm just letting you know that my tax advisor changed that on me a few years back. She used to include it and now she said she can't. |
Are we really going to have 5+ pages on this topic?? Where's the cinder block wall for my head .....:rolleyes:
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So the year is 2017, not 1967.
The tip is $3, $2 if you don't have $3. $1 only buys you a cup of coffee at ZaZa MCO. Act like the airline pilot you think you are, please don't tip a town car driver $1... |
Originally Posted by PikeAV8R
(Post 2384776)
AS A WORD OF CAUTION, TIPPING IS NO LONGER A TAX WRITEOFF. THERE WAS A COURT CASE 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO TO THAT REGARD. IT IS SEEN AS PART OF YOUR PER DIEM NOW. JUST AS A HEADS UP.
Do whatever you want and blah blah blah about "if you get caught". I'm just letting you know that my tax advisor changed that on me a few years back. She used to include it and now she said she can't. |
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 2384539)
I guarantee you any pilot -- first year or otherwise -- is making a hell of a lot more and has a hell of an easier job than the person who cleans the toilet in your hotel room
And? I fail to see your point. |
Originally Posted by Macdacpilot
(Post 2384835)
And? I fail to see your point.
These same people are making the argument that they should be excused from tipping due to this economic catastrophe they are forced to endure. I reminded them that they are a lot better off than the people they should be tipping. |
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 2384802)
You need a new tax preparer.
This is killer decision for flight crew deductions- Uniform items such as nylons, shoes, scarfs, hats, etc. were denied. Yes, they were only used at work yet since these items are easily convertible to everyday use the Court said No. Van driver tips were also denied since the Court considered them incidentals and included as part of the per diem deduction. Haircuts, make-up and manicures were denied since they are personal in nature. Internet expenses were also denied, but other court opinions allow them (see below). This opinion also has a great illustration of per diem calculation and deduction. That is from the Watson CPA website. I have seen it in several other places as well though. Like I said, do what you will but the couple bucks I might save by trying to deduct $200-$300 from taxes is not worth the risk. |
Originally Posted by PikeAV8R
(Post 2384997)
Continental FA Denied Everyday Deductions
This is killer decision for flight crew deductions- Uniform items such as nylons, shoes, scarfs, hats, etc. were denied. Yes, they were only used at work yet since these items are easily convertible to everyday use the Court said No. Van driver tips were also denied since the Court considered them incidentals and included as part of the per diem deduction. Haircuts, make-up and manicures were denied since they are personal in nature. Internet expenses were also denied, but other court opinions allow them (see below). This opinion also has a great illustration of per diem calculation and deduction. That is from the Watson CPA website. I have seen it in several other places as well though. Like I said, do what you will but the couple bucks I might save by trying to deduct $200-$300 from taxes is not worth the risk. |
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 2385001)
Ok. Maybe I need a new tax preparer.
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Originally Posted by Planepirate
(Post 2385161)
FLICA asks you how much you tip when you use their tax prep service.
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 2385163)
As does Pilot-Tax. I've been happy with their services for 12 years.
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I tipped reasonably and generously, but being corporate, it all went on the expense report. :p. Now the guy with $400 in tips got looked into.
GF |
$2 bills are good tipping fuel - carry fewer singles around and they have novelty.
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Originally Posted by PikeAV8R
(Post 2384776)
AS A WORD OF CAUTION, TIPPING IS NO LONGER A TAX WRITEOFF. THERE WAS A COURT CASE 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO TO THAT REGARD. IT IS SEEN AS PART OF YOUR PER DIEM NOW. JUST AS A HEADS UP.
Do whatever you want and blah blah blah about "if you get caught". I'm just letting you know that my tax advisor changed that on me a few years back. She used to include it and now she said she can't. |
Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
(Post 2385334)
Who cares what a court case says. What does the IRS say?
http://www.watsoncpagroup.com/images...tinentalFA.pdf |
Originally Posted by tomgoodman
(Post 2385430)
It wasn't just any court, but the U.S. Tax Court, and the IRS was the Respondent. The tip issue was a minor part of the opinion, which cannot be used as a precedent, but it shows which way such a case will probably come out in the future. They are saying that tips are indeed a legitimate expense, but you have already been reimbursed via your per diem allowance.
http://www.watsoncpagroup.com/images...tinentalFA.pdf So the current language allows us to deduct tips as long as company paid per diem is less than our expenses. I haven't come across many people who can say that's their individual case. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Captains,
Don't forget to tip your first year FOs. Thanks! :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
(Post 2385453)
So the current language allows us to deduct tips as long as company paid per diem is less than our expenses. I haven't come across many people who can say that's their individual case.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Planepirate
(Post 2385794)
Whaaaat? I am so totally lost on what you guys are talking about. I'm claiming plausible deniability and gonna keep on claiming my tips
The bottom line is you can until the cited court case actually becomes IRS regulations which isn't a given that it will. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by PosRateGearUp
(Post 2385771)
Captains,
Don't forget to tip your first year FOs. Thanks! :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by PikeAV8R
(Post 2384776)
AS A WORD OF CAUTION, TIPPING IS NO LONGER A TAX WRITEOFF. THERE WAS A COURT CASE 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO TO THAT REGARD. IT IS SEEN AS PART OF YOUR PER DIEM NOW. JUST AS A HEADS UP.
Do whatever you want and blah blah blah about "if you get caught". I'm just letting you know that my tax advisor changed that on me a few years back. She used to include it and now she said she can't. "PURSUANT TO INTERNAL REVENUE CODE SECTION 7463(b),THIS OPINION MAY NOT BE TREATED AS PRECEDENT FOR ANY OTHER CASE." |
Originally Posted by PikeAV8R
(Post 2384997)
Continental FA Denied Everyday Deductions
This is killer decision for flight crew deductions- Uniform items such as nylons, shoes, scarfs, hats, etc. were denied. Yes, they were only used at work yet since these items are easily convertible to everyday use the Court said No. Van driver tips were also denied since the Court considered them incidentals and included as part of the per diem deduction. Haircuts, make-up and manicures were denied since they are personal in nature. Internet expenses were also denied, but other court opinions allow them (see below). This opinion also has a great illustration of per diem calculation and deduction. That is from the Watson CPA website. I have seen it in several other places as well though. Like I said, do what you will but the couple bucks I might save by trying to deduct $200-$300 from taxes is not worth the risk. Like I said, first page of the transcript: "PURSUANT TO INTERNAL REVENUE CODE SECTION 7463(b),THIS OPINION MAY NOT BE TREATED AS PRECEDENT FOR ANY OTHER CASE." |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 2385840)
Many do, in $beer. If the van is at the curb waiting for you when you get outside or shortly after and the guy takes your bag, that's worth at least a dollar. He doesn't have to load your bags in the back and doesn't have to watch your flight to be there when you arrive.
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2385944)
A van/car not waiting is almost never the drivers fault
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 2385966)
If I have to wait 30 minutes for a van after calling from the plane 10 minutes before, that is unacceptable. Some hotels track the flights and send a van out to meet the flight. That behavior is rewarded. Doing the absolute minimum is not.
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
(Post 2385969)
If you had to wait 30 minutes, why did you not take a taxi as our contract permits?? I've never not been reimbursed on my next mid-month paycheck....
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 2385966)
If I have to wait 30 minutes for a van after calling from the plane 10 minutes before, that is unacceptable. Some hotels track the flights and send a van out to meet the flight. That behavior is rewarded. Doing the absolute minimum is not.
If it's a car service many times the driver is notified last minute or gets stuck in traffic. Neither are his fault. 30min from block in take your own ride. If you decide to wait it out don't stuff the driver for things outside his control. Btw car service drivers usually get $10-$20 tip for an airport run. The probably hate driving us. |
I really can't believe this thread is still going and has 7 pages. :)
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Originally Posted by Dukeuno
(Post 2386297)
I really can't believe this thread is still going and has 7 pages. :)
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Originally Posted by Dukeuno
(Post 2386297)
I really can't believe this thread is still going and has 7 pages. :)
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
(Post 2386334)
It beats having another political thread! :p
Heard Bernie Sanders doesn't tip the van driver more than a few bucks. |
Originally Posted by FMGEC
(Post 2386397)
Challenge accepted...
Heard Bernie Sanders doesn't tip the van driver more than a few bucks. |
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Originally Posted by OneAndDone
(Post 2384060)
Just a quick topic.....
We of course have our special cases that won't part with a buck to save their lives, all airlines have them.... However I have noticed, as have some people I have spoke to, a growing number of new hires who don't tip the van drivers. So a note to new guys, we tip our drivers here. Those who are tipping a buck, thank you. Those that don't, find a buck a day. If you can't afford a $1, ask the Captain to spot you a buck or cover you, so that we don't stiff the van drivers. I know the popular excuses, God knows they have been beat to death on these forums: -They make more than I do -This is work, I'm not on vacation -I can't remember to take cash -Im on first year pay and it sucks But in the end, even our first year FAs tip the drivers the majority of the time and they are at what, $20 an hour. Sure, you will have an occasional late pickup, rude driver, unsafe, etc....but the overwhelming amount of drivers are on time, (even when we are late) grab the bags and don't crash us into a wall because we sit and complain every car ride about our pay, company, management, contract etc... As the saying goes, we tip the driver not for that ride, but for the next ride. First year pay sucks, we get it, we all did it. We also all knew the pay when we signed on the dotted line. Hopefully soon enough $38.50 will be a nightmare of the past... ...until then, tip a buck. It has remained a buck for over a decade, some tip more, but find a buck a ride...it is really not that hard. Thats it...one and done on these forums, just wanted to put that out there. That's what happens when you hire so many commuter (regional) pilots. |
Ref the court decision: I agree that the tips are incidentals meant to be covered by per diem payments from the company, and as such would not be deductible if you claim the city allowance as your deductible.
However, if you keep a log of your actual meal and other incidental expenses, and exceed your per diem payments, then it is all deductible including tips, taxi, haircuts and shoeshines when away from home for a long trip, (say a ten day trip to Asia). The general philosophy of the law is that you can deduct expenses you have for work when you are away from home that duplicate those that are already paid for at home. So, if you have a gym membership, and you pay a $10 fee for a single use of a gym away from home then that would be deductible. Trying to deduct a $300 green fee in Maui because you would only be paying $30 at home might be pushing it. Don't forget to include union dues on form 2106. Make sure that your tax preparer understands the special rules for workers covered by DOT hours of service for meal and incidental expenses. Joe |
Originally Posted by Omnipotent
(Post 2390476)
That's what happens when you hire so many commuter (regional) pilots.
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Tipping in this country is getting out of hand. Even the fast food restaurants such as Jersey Mikes are adding tips to the kiosk. I'd rather load my own bags. Tired of making change to get $1 bills. The DTW guys have to tip each way to and from work to airlines parking. Why are they forced to pay to get to work? I'm with the no tippers lets get rid of tipping in this country.
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Originally Posted by YourMom
(Post 2399635)
I'm with the no tippers lets get rid of tipping in this country.
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