Enough is enough
 

Alright Alpa, enough is enough. what the hell are we paying you for? you are useless. Strike Vote Now.......I have no confidence in ALPA. 2 years now....2 years of no raises. 2 years of the bottom of the barrel. 2 years and we are still at the 'Substantial additional negotiations will be required along with the continued assistance of the NMB in order to reach our objectives" stage. Dear national mediation board, since this website is used to sue our pilot group and issue restringing orders against us i will assume you will read this. What is you purpose? The only purpose I see for you is to help corporations screw over employees. How did you get like that? years of lobbying and corrupt politicians setting the tone to screw over labor. I have lost ALL confidence in Alpa, the mec and the negotiators, the same negotiators who screwed us over last contract btw......absolutely pathetic.....

I think it's time to follow SWAPA and DALPA's lead and clean house. maybe get rid of alpa altogether. they do not give a flying rats a** about us. they will take our 2% and assessments though. where does that money go anyway??? they will let us swing in the wind for years.

I think you should delete your post.

Dont give this company anything at all to potentially use against us

Look man, we are all frusterated but taking it out on ALPA is exacltly what mgmt wants

how can anything i said be used against us? questioning the role of the national mediation board? i have legitimate question. i just want to know why it takes years to get a contract? how did this become the norm? yes, maybe i should keep my mouth shut and just let the screwing roll off my back, that's what our government wants....a bunch of scared, weak imps. that's why we were sued. i can see you 240 years ago telling the colonists they should delete their post, it might upset King George

It takes years because the railway labor act doesn't let contracts expire, only become amendable which gives the corporations unlimited stall time as long as they appear like they are negotiating and they don't outside pressures like filling classes. They probably upped their offer by half a percent so that it appears like they are negotiating and they buy themselves another three weeks of stalling and savings.

Impasse now! We are not going to come together in this market. Lock us out or let us strike and see how bad they need us. Let the market decide.

Industry standard! Not one penny less! We do not come at a discount!

I have no fng clue, lol

Clearly the gag order, which sounds like it exists, is to prevent the group from hearing just how far apart. They are probably afraid that this information would be the catalyst for another meltdown occurring.

i mean i'm not saying anything nefarious or illegal. i am just a transportation worker who is tired of getting screwed over and have anger towards a useless labor organization i give 2 percent of my pay to.

Recall the entire MEC and LEC leadership. This will remove all the named parties from the TRO. Start over by playing smart instead of tough. Our entire leadership is hogtied by the TRO. Until then, I'd start applying elsewhere.

i take that as threat. have to report you. you need to check your temper.

I hate to say it but I think it is time for a change also.

what's a matter poppa boner, afraid you gonna lose all those sweet union trip drops???

So, within the railway labor act what else would you have had them do? This is a ridiculous process that is mandated by federal law and looking at every other carrier who's management wants to draw it out it looks very similar. The big difference is that our management, lip service aside, has little interest in the product, customers, or investors. Sorry to bring up old wounds but I think the biggest misstep by the mec was JA and the meltdown of 2015; quid should not have been a handshake! No problem with the current group.

how bout alpa rent some rat patrol trucks to circle the terminals. how bout buy some press. how bout some informational picketing. how bout anything

I don't propose replacing the NC if we want an industry standard deal this decade. Infighting is what the company wants. This process is a game to them and they aren't taking it seriously. Their offers are jokes and presentations are full of lies.

I honestly don't know how you can blantantly lie straight to a mediators face as to how our offer would affect the company when we have financial analysis based on facts. We can't make up these numbers.

yea, it's alpa national that is the problem. they do not care about us 1%. they have never fought for us and they never will. they screwed us on the last contract and they roll over on everything the company throws at us. they will let us rot while they collect their dues and assessments.

Did you miss the trucks driving around at our new cities, or the new billboards this week?

Fighting amongst ourselves is what motivates them. They think they can break us. Guess what. That's what BBB and Franke thought to so smoke on that for awhile.
Fly your contract.

Two boards in one city and ads in a newspaper. Are newspapers still a thing? It's better than nothing but I want billboards in every one of our cities and trucks making laps 24/7 until a contract is signed.

I have to agree with this.....

Only if we're iced, then yes, definitely.

Did you ever think we might get iced not because of our negotiators but because the company isn't coming up in any meaningful way? I sure don't want our negotiators coming down that's for sure. I'm not going to boot negotiators for doing exactly what we've asked them to do. I want a deal but not one just to get one. It has to be industry standard. This contract is 7 years old and I expect the next one will be too and I'm living with crap for that long just to get it done now. We've asked for an affordable industry standard deal and they want a low tier deal. And who says we're getting iced we just got this mediator.

Hawaiian got iced and then a deal came. You get iced and turn up the media campaign to the max and watch the attrition reach numbers never seen before

We'll discuss it in September.

Right now I wear my green and support them, but not forever.

Meanwhile...the SWA window is open! Contract is still a year away here

As I heard a guy say the other day, Spirit pilots will get the contract "they vote for".
Puts it in the pilots lap for sure.

A year? Wow, that's what I call optimism!

I thought if the company does not come to the table with meaningful progress, the mediator starts the 30 day clock? Not getting iced is what I thought when the labor side does something to irk the mediator.

Update your apps and get ready to Strike! Here comes the strike vote!! :cool:

That's what I thought. Seems like getting iced would be exactly what management would want to see happen. However, supposedly Hawaiian was iced and then they got a contract a few months later. Idk

Yes, the company definitely wants it to get iced. Gives them more time for low tier wages and to get the merger with frontier done after the ipo. The question is whether the mediator will ice it or not. Which probably depends on whether the NMB thinks the contract should look like Allegiants (company proposal ) or United (unions proposal ). If the NMB thinks it should be Allegiant, it gets iced because the negotiating committee is being unreasonable in their eyes. If the NMB thinks it should look like United, they schedule more negotiation dates or threaten to release...