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Sherpa 09-04-2017 05:56 PM

Don't confuse getting iced or put on hiatus with a 30 day cooling off period. Iced means no more dates until one of the parties signals they are willing to bend the knee and move off their position.

Ed Force One 09-04-2017 06:08 PM

Where's option 4, "Yes, but far below our ask?"

I'm anticipating the Board to force out a substandard TA (in good faith, naturally) and force us to vote on it. If we want to prove that we really will hold out for industry standard, it's up to us to vote this first one down. (Thereby dragging this out months longer.)

Meanwhile the CO hopes that they've beaten us down enough so that people will vote "It's been too long already" and pass it by a 50.0000001% margin.

Chimpy 09-04-2017 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 2425055)
Where's option 4, "Yes, but far below our ask?"

I'm anticipating the Board to force out a substandard TA (in good faith, naturally) and force us to vote on it. If we want to prove that we really will hold out for industry standard, it's up to us to vote this first one down. (Thereby dragging this out months longer.)

Meanwhile the CO hopes that they've beaten us down enough so that people will vote "It's been too long already" and pass it by a 50.0000001% margin.

No way. The Mediafor and /or the NMB cant make the MEC put out a T/A, they can only apply pressure. A failed T/A would set us back at least 12 months IMO.

Also, the mediator is well aware of our ask and IMO if she didnt feel it was close to being reasonable she wouldnt be wastinf everyones time by having all of the decision makers available.

If she thought our ask was absurd I dont think she would be requesting them to be available

Ed Force One 09-04-2017 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 2425056)
No way. The Mediafor and /or the NMB cant make the MEC put out a T/A, they can only apply pressure. A failed T/A would set us back at least 12 months IMO.

Also, the mediator is well aware of our ask and IMO if she didnt feel it was close to being reasonable she wouldnt be wastinf everyones time by having all of the decision makers available.

If she thought our ask was absurd I dont think she would be requesting them to be available

Thank you.

I'm not 100% clear and I assumed my above scenario was plausible.

But the part about "Setting us back 12 months" would be exactly what MGMT wants, so....

SourGrapes 09-04-2017 07:08 PM

The national mediation board is a political entity with political appointees. Therefore, like the rest of every politician in this country, does not give a flying crap (pun intended) about you, the 'worker.' We are VERY far away from seeing any economic gains. In fact, politicians are working on a way to replace us with H-1b visa holders. They just have to figure out how to sell it to the general public. Meanwhile, get used to our current compensation structure

Super EZ E 09-04-2017 07:18 PM

When did Spirit start to require a College degree? Flying the Airbus is a GED level job. LOL

The US H-1B visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows US companies to employ graduate level workers in specialty occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise in specialized fields such as in IT, finance, accounting, architecture, engineering, mathematics, science, medicine, etc. Any professional level job that usually requires you to have a bachelors degree or higher can come under the H-1B visa for specialty occupations. If you do not have a bachelors degree or higher you may be able to show degree equivalence through work experience and/or other qualifications.

SourGrapes 09-04-2017 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2425082)
When did Spirit start to require a College degree? Flying the Airbus is a GED level job. LOL

The US H-1B visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows US companies to employ graduate level workers in specialty occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise in specialized fields such as in IT, finance, accounting, architecture, engineering, mathematics, science, medicine, etc. Any professional level job that usually requires you to have a bachelors degree or higher can come under the H-1B visa for specialty occupations. If you do not have a bachelors degree or higher you may be able to show degree equivalence through work experience and/or other qualifications.

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SourGrapes 09-04-2017 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2425082)
When did Spirit start to require a College degree? Flying the Airbus is a GED level job. LOL

The US H-1B visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows US companies to employ graduate level workers in specialty occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise in specialized fields such as in IT, finance, accounting, architecture, engineering, mathematics, science, medicine, etc. Any professional level job that usually requires you to have a bachelors degree or higher can come under the H-1B visa for specialty occupations. If you do not have a bachelors degree or higher you may be able to show degree equivalence through work experience and/or other qualifications.

see the words 'usually requires you to have a bachelors degree of higher'? if you portend to be a contractual expert, you should know words like usually, to the greatest extent, as much as possible, mean nothing.......i hope you read the TA in 2020 so you don't vote for something we can't enforce.......

NFjt 09-04-2017 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2425079)
The national mediation board is a political entity with political appointees. Therefore, like the rest of every politician in this country, does not give a flying crap (pun intended) about you, the 'worker.' We are VERY far away from seeing any economic gains. In fact, politicians are working on a way to replace us with H-1b visa holders. They just have to figure out how to sell it to the general public. Meanwhile, get used to our current compensation structure



My goodness brother you take negativity to whole new heights.


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