View Poll Results: Will We Reach A T/A
Yes
21
14.79%
No.
78
54.93%
No, but "progress will be made" and future dates scheduled.
45
31.69%
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09-04-2017, 06:08 PM
#21
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Where's option 4, "Yes, but far below our ask?"
I'm anticipating the Board to force out a substandard TA (in good faith, naturally) and force us to vote on it. If we want to prove that we really will hold out for industry standard, it's up to us to vote this first one down. (Thereby dragging this out months longer.)
Meanwhile the CO hopes that they've beaten us down enough so that people will vote "It's been too long already" and pass it by a 50.0000001% margin.
I'm anticipating the Board to force out a substandard TA (in good faith, naturally) and force us to vote on it. If we want to prove that we really will hold out for industry standard, it's up to us to vote this first one down. (Thereby dragging this out months longer.)
Meanwhile the CO hopes that they've beaten us down enough so that people will vote "It's been too long already" and pass it by a 50.0000001% margin.
09-04-2017, 06:11 PM
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Where's option 4, "Yes, but far below our ask?"
I'm anticipating the Board to force out a substandard TA (in good faith, naturally) and force us to vote on it. If we want to prove that we really will hold out for industry standard, it's up to us to vote this first one down. (Thereby dragging this out months longer.)
Meanwhile the CO hopes that they've beaten us down enough so that people will vote "It's been too long already" and pass it by a 50.0000001% margin.
I'm anticipating the Board to force out a substandard TA (in good faith, naturally) and force us to vote on it. If we want to prove that we really will hold out for industry standard, it's up to us to vote this first one down. (Thereby dragging this out months longer.)
Meanwhile the CO hopes that they've beaten us down enough so that people will vote "It's been too long already" and pass it by a 50.0000001% margin.
Also, the mediator is well aware of our ask and IMO if she didnt feel it was close to being reasonable she wouldnt be wastinf everyones time by having all of the decision makers available.
If she thought our ask was absurd I dont think she would be requesting them to be available
09-04-2017, 06:16 PM
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No way. The Mediafor and /or the NMB cant make the MEC put out a T/A, they can only apply pressure. A failed T/A would set us back at least 12 months IMO.
Also, the mediator is well aware of our ask and IMO if she didnt feel it was close to being reasonable she wouldnt be wastinf everyones time by having all of the decision makers available.
If she thought our ask was absurd I dont think she would be requesting them to be available
Also, the mediator is well aware of our ask and IMO if she didnt feel it was close to being reasonable she wouldnt be wastinf everyones time by having all of the decision makers available.
If she thought our ask was absurd I dont think she would be requesting them to be available
I'm not 100% clear and I assumed my above scenario was plausible.
But the part about "Setting us back 12 months" would be exactly what MGMT wants, so....
09-04-2017, 07:08 PM
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The national mediation board is a political entity with political appointees. Therefore, like the rest of every politician in this country, does not give a flying crap (pun intended) about you, the 'worker.' We are VERY far away from seeing any economic gains. In fact, politicians are working on a way to replace us with H-1b visa holders. They just have to figure out how to sell it to the general public. Meanwhile, get used to our current compensation structure
09-04-2017, 07:18 PM
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When did Spirit start to require a College degree? Flying the Airbus is a GED level job. LOL
The US H-1B visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows US companies to employ graduate level workers in specialty occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise in specialized fields such as in IT, finance, accounting, architecture, engineering, mathematics, science, medicine, etc. Any professional level job that usually requires you to have a bachelors degree or higher can come under the H-1B visa for specialty occupations. If you do not have a bachelors degree or higher you may be able to show degree equivalence through work experience and/or other qualifications.
The US H-1B visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows US companies to employ graduate level workers in specialty occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise in specialized fields such as in IT, finance, accounting, architecture, engineering, mathematics, science, medicine, etc. Any professional level job that usually requires you to have a bachelors degree or higher can come under the H-1B visa for specialty occupations. If you do not have a bachelors degree or higher you may be able to show degree equivalence through work experience and/or other qualifications.
09-04-2017, 08:07 PM
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When did Spirit start to require a College degree? Flying the Airbus is a GED level job. LOL
The US H-1B visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows US companies to employ graduate level workers in specialty occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise in specialized fields such as in IT, finance, accounting, architecture, engineering, mathematics, science, medicine, etc. Any professional level job that usually requires you to have a bachelors degree or higher can come under the H-1B visa for specialty occupations. If you do not have a bachelors degree or higher you may be able to show degree equivalence through work experience and/or other qualifications.
The US H-1B visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows US companies to employ graduate level workers in specialty occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise in specialized fields such as in IT, finance, accounting, architecture, engineering, mathematics, science, medicine, etc. Any professional level job that usually requires you to have a bachelors degree or higher can come under the H-1B visa for specialty occupations. If you do not have a bachelors degree or higher you may be able to show degree equivalence through work experience and/or other qualifications.
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09-04-2017, 08:19 PM
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When did Spirit start to require a College degree? Flying the Airbus is a GED level job. LOL
The US H-1B visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows US companies to employ graduate level workers in specialty occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise in specialized fields such as in IT, finance, accounting, architecture, engineering, mathematics, science, medicine, etc. Any professional level job that usually requires you to have a bachelors degree or higher can come under the H-1B visa for specialty occupations. If you do not have a bachelors degree or higher you may be able to show degree equivalence through work experience and/or other qualifications.
The US H-1B visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows US companies to employ graduate level workers in specialty occupations that require theoretical or technical expertise in specialized fields such as in IT, finance, accounting, architecture, engineering, mathematics, science, medicine, etc. Any professional level job that usually requires you to have a bachelors degree or higher can come under the H-1B visa for specialty occupations. If you do not have a bachelors degree or higher you may be able to show degree equivalence through work experience and/or other qualifications.
09-04-2017, 09:48 PM
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The national mediation board is a political entity with political appointees. Therefore, like the rest of every politician in this country, does not give a flying crap (pun intended) about you, the 'worker.' We are VERY far away from seeing any economic gains. In fact, politicians are working on a way to replace us with H-1b visa holders. They just have to figure out how to sell it to the general public. Meanwhile, get used to our current compensation structure
My goodness brother you take negativity to whole new heights.
09-05-2017, 06:48 AM
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so besides the h1b visa part, what about what i said is incorrect? you do realize what 'our' DOT is doing with 'open skies', right? you do realize the system is rigged, right? should i just be positive for positives sake? will that help get us compensated fairly?
you just haven't learned the difference between negativity and reality. as you mature, you'll see it more clearly.----contract 2020
you just haven't learned the difference between negativity and reality. as you mature, you'll see it more clearly.----contract 2020
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