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I am at Spirit, but if I were looking for a job and starting at the bottom of a seniority list, I’d go with the airline that will make me more money over the course of my career, has a flow to a Legacy, has a large presence in the city where I’d like to be based, and isn’t an embarrassment when people ask you “who do you fly for”.
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Originally Posted by Planepirate
(Post 2444318)
and isn’t an embarrassment when people ask you “who do you fly for”.
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Seriously though, if you need an internet forum poll to help you make a career decision, much less one that is to help you get somewhere else, please go to another airline...if you get an offer.
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
(Post 2444488)
Seriously though, if you need an internet forum poll to help you make a career decision, much less one that is to help you get somewhere else, please go to another airline...if you get an offer.
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Envoy isn't exactly poverty wages either with the signing bonus and retention bonus... You just have to watch for the 1st year FO to 2d year FO pay cut.
But I think you get paid more at Envoy as a 1st year FO, than you do as a 1st year Spirit FO. If you have the 1000 SIC, you might even luck out and get that 3 month captain upgrade and don't have to worry about the 2d year pay cut, although you'll be junior for a long time as more senior FOs upgrade ahead of you. If AA/SWA is where you're wanting to end up, make sure you tell Sandy that so she knows where to file your resume. If you're really wanting a Dallas base, you forgot to consider Mesa. They have a DFW base. But looking at your post history, it appears you already work at Envoy, so you should just put in a bid for a base vacancy. or displace to equipment that has a DFW domicile. |
Originally Posted by jdflyer1999
(Post 2444101)
Let's clear up this misconception.
All pilots transferring to AA from Envoy begining with the July 2017 classes fall under the part of the contract called Protected Pilots. Protected Pilots and anyone junior to them (including today's new hires) do not get any longevity benefits. When you flow to AA now you get a job, that's it. Worked at Envoy for 7 years? Thank you. You will start at with 0 years time of service for vacation accrual, retirement, sick, travel, etc... Did you use ZED tickets while you were at Envoy? We'll you'll have to wait the 6-12months to use them again. 401k? 0% company contribution for the first 12 months, not fully vested for 7 years. The 824 group who you are referring to were the last to receive these benefits. |
Originally Posted by Weekendwarrior2
(Post 2445196)
This has been changed, everyone flowing now gets 16% contribution their first year.
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Go to Envoy, flow to AA and never look back.
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Originally Posted by TheDudeabide
(Post 2443858)
Go to Envoy, take the bonus and flow. You’ll hate it here. This is Mesa with big planes
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Originally Posted by P Owed Captain
(Post 2449558)
How so? I'm at Mesa, and we cannot give even one leg of our trips away on our trade board. It has been that way for at least 2 years now. You guys can drop trips to your heart's content according to the NK pilots I've spoken to. Much better QOL than Mesa. Be happy with what you've got, because you guys are the exception!
This is exactly what misguided blindness looks like. |
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