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for those that listened in on call this morning.


GROWTH CUT IN HALF & NO A/C order in sight.


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http://http://files.shareholder.com/...n_10.26.17.pdf

I don't know if that link worked but it's the fleet plan on the company website. Looks the same to me, 161 airframes by the end of 2021.

Article talking about reduced growth.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ine&yptr=yahoo

The article ends by saying slower growth will be good for other airlines. Well, yea, Duh. Other airlines will have both spirit's business AND spirit's pilots. Betcha they can lower CASM to zero if they can get rid of all those pesky pilots.

Who LOVED Bobs Answer to the one guy who asked how productivity would be increased if say we had SWA work rules?


Bob goes on an incoherent ramble about gate space in FLL. Absolutely mind boggling

20%+ growth in 2018, then averaging 10%-15% YOY from then on? You guys are smoking something crazy if you are disillusioned with those numbers. Do you have any idea what a ‘normal’ growth number is? AA grew 1% in 2017,if you’d even call it that. Mainline was down, regional feed was up.

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Can’t compare AA growth to spirit. AA just merged and has been around almost 100 years. They can’t grow 10%/yr.

But don't you compare american pay to spirit? which one is it? are we like american or aren't we? or are you just using comparisons to fit your narrative when it fits? just curious

I don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

Imagine my surprise

After listening to the webcast, I felt it was pretty positive. Still high growth, 20% in 2018, 2019 growth will be less than prior years but still upwards of 10%. There are no plans to stop growing. It was also mentioned that the new pilot contract is directly correlated to new AC orders.

Oh dear.... I sincerely hope you’re just regurgitating what was said and don’t actually believe that. Otherwise, you’re management or incredibly naive. The planes will/will not come REGARDLESS of a pilot deal!!! It is not up to this pilot group to make their business model work. We just move the aluminum....

Well, like many people I've heard mention and hope is that the company will want to get a deal done so they can order more aircraft. So how is that not positive for us? Either way, I was just repeating what was said. Take it as you will.

Except it won’t be “want to get a deal done so they can get more aircraft.” It’ll be “here’s an order of 50 new planes we can do, just sign this contract and then they’ll come.”

If they wanted a deal done, they could have had it 2 years ago likely at a much cheaper cost than now. Their fault, not ours. Now the real question, why don’t Wall Street analysts ask why management bypassed a cheaper deal earlier for something more expensive now?

Airlines growth mirrors GDP. 1% to 4% is the normal. When you see crazy growth numbers it is usually hard to manage and profits fall sharply. IMHO!

What more expensive deal? If you wait 5 more years, that deal’s going to be even more lucrative.

Exactly, the company is saving millions by dragging it out. Although in the end rates will be paid at a higher rate.

Yeah? IF say a deal was offered 2 years ago at DOS for a 20% raise and then 3% each year thereafter...for the sake of simplicity, say it went from $100/hr to $120 to $123 to $127...$131...$135 to $139 by year 5.

If the contract gets dragged on for 5 years. Do you see the final result being getting an 40% raise to $140 or for some reason the company will cave and give you an 80% raise to $180?

I'm not sure the "we're winning because the ask just went up" holds any water as far as how much more money you'll actually get in your pocket when it's all said and done considering the time value of money lost.

I think at some point, ALPA will use Spirit as a case study of what not to do during negotiations. Whether you deserve it or not, I don't see the NMB and the administration allowing a strike when a 20%-40% raise is/was offered.

JMHO

AA’s big failure was always swinging for the fences. Delta did the opposite, slowly building upon each successive contract. I’ve said time and time again on here take the short term small wins. Collectively they are worth more.

Those raises you refer to didn't exist 2 years ago. Your numbers are way off so I'm not sure where you're getting your info. Say they took a 20% raise 2 years ago, 2nd year FO pay would have gone from $72 to $86 and 4th year CA to $157. It would have also gutted the work rules to do it. If you don't think that is pathetic you must be a real scumbag. Are you even a pilot at all? What skin do you have in the game with Spirit? You don't seem to work for an airline looking at your post history but you seem obsessed with Spirit negotiations.

We arent swinging for the fence, we are asking for a pretty Standard compensation pack, actually, less than that really........

And the company wouldn't even offer something close to that. This is who Spirit has always been, who they are, and who they will continue to be. Anyone who thinks it will become anything different should probably apply to a different airline.

I think 80% of us already have...........

You can bet your ass UAL will be looking more closely at Applications from Spirit Pilots. UAL wants to hire 1200, realistically it will be 800. Even 100 guys from here as well as our guys going to other carriers will bury this ****hole.

Yeah it makes me question the intelligence of the United leadership. Option A: lose millions competing with Spirit, or option B: hire as many Spirit pilots as you can (they have to hire anyhow). This will instantly force Spirit into a jam. A contract would HAVE to come right away at Spirit and then poof: the playing field is a little more level. It honestly baffles me.

You forgot option C). Buy Spirit at a discount, get 1,800 pilots + 100 Airbii + orders, eliminate competition that's dragging down fares.

United’s scoring and pulling apps for an interview is computer based algorithm and scoring. Unless they specifically add a search term for ‘Spirit’, they won’t pull any one company in particular for interviews.

"Airbii"..that made me laugh

Ha!! that was great..well actually not great but I had to laugh when I heard how slippery his "answer" was.

I'm hoping for option C.