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Old 01-31-2018 | 05:43 AM
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Old 02-02-2018 | 03:49 PM
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Looks like 9 days max after PBS, please tell me I’m wrong.

How is this “industry leading vacation?”
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Old 02-02-2018 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hayimcow
Looks like 9 days max after PBS, please tell me I’m wrong.

How is this “industry leading vacation?”
I read it as the other way around. With the variable vacation hours, if you select the minimum (12 hours) PBS would likely only give you 9 off. With the maximum, you’d only have to fly ALV-36 hours (ex. 72-36 = 36 hours you must fly; i.e. 2 18-hour trips), however no guarantees on what days you’ll have off (same as it is now, seniority depending). However you’ll never have fewer than 9 off consecutively.
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Old 02-02-2018 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by hayimcow
Looks like 9 days max after PBS, please tell me I’m wrong.

How is this “industry leading vacation?”
Per the slide "A single vacation week can result in 7-22 days off, depending on pilot preferences"

Their is a chart, but would be a great road show question for them to explain
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Old 02-02-2018 | 04:03 PM
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You can now bid and be awarded relief lines during months with vacation, but the company can assign you duty during your vacation....
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Old 02-02-2018 | 05:10 PM
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even if you selected 36 hrs for your wk of vacation you could end up with 4day trips on both sides of the week(minus the 2 extra days), so sure lots of days off, but if your seniority cant hold the 4 days off both sides you are at 9 off in a row
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Old 02-02-2018 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by king10pin02
even if you selected 36 hrs for your wk of vacation you could end up with 4day trips on both sides of the week(minus the 2 extra days), so sure lots of days off, but if your seniority cant hold the 4 days off both sides you are at 9 off in a row
And then you would drop the days if they are green. ..or use float vacation request to drop a trip..or swap once IOT and DOT open...etc

If I was a junior CA with line bidding, and I have 7 days of vacation, how do I get 20 days off in a row? Same way you do it with PBS. You aren't senior to hold it so you swap and drop.

Like line bidding, if you are senior to hold it, you get it
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Old 02-02-2018 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ZebraMan
And then you would drop the days if they are green. ..or use float vacation request to drop a trip..or swap once IOT and DOT open...etc

If I was a junior CA with line bidding, and I have 7 days of vacation, how do I get 20 days off in a row? Same way you do it with PBS. You aren't senior to hold it so you swap and drop.

Like line bidding, if you are senior to hold it, you get it
Exactly, the amount of extra time off depends on seniority, as it does now. Section 8 (which was a HUGE concern for me) is less of a worry vs. new section 25 language.....
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What's the amount of vacation and weeks per year? How many weeks at year 5?
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Old 02-02-2018 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
What's the amount of vacation and weeks per year? How many weeks at year 5?
After your 5th anniversary you get a third week and another 28hrs the next calendar year. We have weeks and hours it’s hard to explain how it’s used to an outsider without seeing it in practice. Year 10 we stay at 3 weeks but we get another 14hrs. Top line is 5 weeks and 140hrs. This is all current book. No changes to accrual in the TA
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