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Qotsaautopilot 01-31-2018 03:08 PM

700+ Jetblue pilots picket in freezing cold
 
If any of you are underwhelmed with this TA I sure hope you were one of the 60-100 unified spirit pilots at one of our own picketing events. If you weren’t well...

700+ Jetblue pilots stood unified today in the cold in NYC. If you don’t think picketing matters I can guarantee you that a showing of that size sends a message to Management and also is incredibly unifying for the group.

700 of them showed up to picket for a contract when what they have now is only slightly worse than what we just TAd. Some of their pay is already higher than our TA. Their rigs are the same with duty period averaging minus the 24hr overnight credit. Ask them about 10hr 3 days. Their retirement is worse than our TA but much better than what we have now. Their LTD is solid but not quite as good as our TA I believe. They have zero scope. I’m anxious to see what we got there. Point is- 700+! Where are we Spirit pilots?

Macjet 01-31-2018 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2516635)
Where are we Spirit pilots?

Not in DFW for either of the pickets.

astral 01-31-2018 10:21 PM

Thanks for that eye opener.
Where are we Spirit pilots?
Ready to vote YES on a contract that JetBlue is picketing? !!!

UNSUBSCRIBE 02-01-2018 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by astral (Post 2516865)
Thanks for that eye opener.
Where are we Spirit pilots?
Ready to vote YES on a contract that JetBlue is picketing? !!!

Jesus really? Are you one of those guys who looks at payrates and stops there?

falcon2000aj 02-01-2018 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2516635)
If any of you are underwhelmed with this TA I sure hope you were one of the 60-100 unified spirit pilots at one of our own picketing events. If you weren’t well...

700+ Jetblue pilots stood unified today in the cold in NYC. If you don’t think picketing matters I can guarantee you that a showing of that size sends a message to Management and also is incredibly unifying for the group.

700 of them showed up to picket for a contract when what they have now is only slightly worse than what we just TAd. Some of their pay is already higher than our TA. Their rigs are the same with duty period averaging minus the 24hr overnight credit. Ask them about 10hr 3 days. Their retirement is worse than our TA but much better than what we have now. Their LTD is solid but not quite as good as our TA I believe. They have zero scope. I’m anxious to see what we got there. Point is- 700+! Where are we Spirit pilots?

I know for a fact the total of pilots from ALL our pickets wouldn't surpass the 700 that showed for JetBlue! We have an apathetic group.

putzin 02-01-2018 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by astral (Post 2516865)
Thanks for that eye opener.
Where are we Spirit pilots?
Ready to vote YES on a contract that JetBlue is picketing? !!!

1. Jetblue doesn't have an Alpa contract. They're picketing "treatment". Mama took away the "tit", they're ****ed and rightly so.

2. You need to look at how they arrived there. They were bought and paid for, for over a decade and it's come home to bite them in the form of a huge codeshare list, medical, etc. Sometimes a gift is more of a backhand.

3. Nothing has ever been "given" to the spirit pilot group, it's always been a fight. It's also not a secret and if you had evaluated spirit prior to coming here you would have known that. It's not an excuse, just a reality.

4. I have worked at a few airlines and I have never seen more disorganization, lack luster leadership, infighting, leathargic, and in general a total lack of direction than SPA Alpa. Maybe not some of the guys currently, but certainly prior. The style of leadership within the union is exactly the same as the style within our management team.

This group needs a change. We have some talent, but they spend all their time on APC preaching when they could be leading.

This thing will pass and we're going to live it because it takes more than just saying "no" to get what you deserve.

Bowing out..

🍻

CaptCoolHand 02-01-2018 05:35 AM

Due respect Putzin, if the jb pilots ever had a tit... it was wooden.

MasterOfPuppets 02-01-2018 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2516921)
1. Jetblue doesn't have an Alpa contract. They're picketing "treatment". Mama took away the "tit", they're ****ed and rightly so.

JetBlue voted in ALPA 2 or 3 years ago they have been working on their first TA ever since THAT is why they are picketing.

Qotsaautopilot 02-01-2018 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2517009)
JetBlue voted in ALPA 2 or 3 years ago they have been working on their first TA ever since THAT is why they are picketing.

We have a contract that’s worse and a ta that’s only slightly better and we can only get 60 guys to show up at a picket. Sad

MasterOfPuppets 02-01-2018 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2517014)
We have a contract that’s worse and a ta that’s only slightly better and we can only get 60 guys to show up at a picket. Sad

How many came out for F9? I think it was 200+


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