Lincoln Osiris and Feng
 

Lincoln Osiris and Feng. There is no way these two are not management trolls/moles.
Defend this company slanted POS TA all you want, it doesn't change the fact it is a company slanted POS TA.

Lol man the level of maturity on these boards is awesome. Someone hears a different opinion that they don’t agree with and they got to start a thread to cry about it. Lol well done sir well done.

I have too agree with you, this is childish and not helpful at all.

There are plenty out there that share your opinions and if anything its motivated me dig deeper in some areas we disagree on.

Really, re-read some of your post.

You just stay here in your safe space while the rest of us have a mature conversation about this TA.

LOL! You mean while you push the company agenda.

Funny that you think the company would rather have this pass than extend negotiations a couple more years. I feel the opposite.

I think they would love nothing more than to lock us into this abomination for the next realistically 7 to 8 years.

Dude, I've left you alone with your dumba$$ rants for a while now, because honestly your just not worth it. But when you include yourself with the "mature group" it makes me laugh my ass off! Your about as mature as a five year old! You remind me of that loner idiot in high school that gets off on being a douche just to get a rise out of people. Like to O.P. suggested......read some (most of) your previous posts. If someone says white......you say black just to be a dick! Mature conversationalist......wow.........ok then! (lol by the way ......mr cool dude!)

Only mature conversation should be "How did ALPA allow this out for a vote?!"

Nailed it!

Can't argue with that.

They do not want our current contract during meltdown 2018. They would much rather have this section 25. I cannot believe how many people this is completely lost on.

So once a year we get stuck in an airport for a few extra hours of pay. BIg Fng deal

Why the hard push for a yes vote? Read the TA, it’s an easy NO vote to any Spirit pilot. What’s the hidden motive?

Someone wanting fancial security for his or her family over being re scheduled while at work every once in awhile that’s the motive.

With the BS scope they offered your excuse for a yes vote doesn’t stand.

This ^^^^^

These guys 'fear' 25.I but really should fear what will happen to them if they have an accident or an illness with our current CBA. Apparently they don't know any of the unfortunate pilots who have had this happen to them. I do. I want all of us to be protected from that. So yeah, I'm voting yes. It's the right thing for me and the right thing for you. You should thank me sometime.

With your handle it seems as though you’re someone who would make a stand for something. Everything you’ve posted in the last 3ish days says otherwise. Sad. Nothing has protected us the last however many years we’ve been doing this and most of us have managed. I understand it’s a chance I take every day I wake up without good LTD but I’m not going to sell out most everything else for it.

We all want LTD. just not at the sacrifice of our QOL. If you can calm down for a moment and vote NO you will get LTD along with less concessions when we negotiate TA2. Guaranteed! TA2 will not take more than 4-5 months vs 8 years of mesa airlines style work rules.

4-5 months lmao good one

4-5 months? Did you get the inside scoop from Bendo?

guaranteed eh?

Nothing is guaranteed, but do you have the intestinal fortitude of a Delta or Southwest Pilot?

Don’t sell yourself short. You guys have more leverage than you know.

A lot easier to vote no as a DAL or SWA pilot when you arent light years behind in compensation, LTD & Retirement.

Leverage? Really? The TRO is still in place, next meltdown, we end up in court, NMB will never release us, classes are still happening and don’t forget about all the heros who will drop all their plans for MUP

And looking at an almost 50% pay raise.

As I said before, let’s fight these other fights when the opportunity cost is $10/hr and not $50-70/hr.

Intestinal fortitude or hubris and stupidity?

That's a much easier thing to say and do when you're already at or nearly at the top of the industry in compensation and have real LTD when you vote down TA1.

This is laughable. We all have different risk tolerances. I'm not willing to vote no over someone else's 'perceived' QOL loss. How will your QOL be if you go out on LTD here the day after this fails?

Some of these guys want to be able to <sit home and drink beer if they choose> so I guess they dont care if they go out on current ltd?

Fair enough. So vote yes. If you really think it’s the best option then do it but don’t cry and moan when you’re sitting in a dumpy hotel next to an airport for 17 hours and your contract basically states “scheduling can do what they want”.


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Figured you’d say that, but scared money certainly doesn’t make any money. I love the scare tactics and fear aspect of all of this. Typical ALPA rhetoric. Vote this in or else.......Remember the Distance Learning LOA?

Just remember how often folks spoke of American selling out work rules for money, because it sounds like you’re about ready to live it.

The next meltdown is on the company for not being able to staff the operation appropriately (which truly was the original issue at hand). This is ever more obvious since the pilots are playing nice and doing all that’s within their power, but it’s still not enough.

Not to mention not enough showing up to class or leaving mid training.

You’ll never be able to recoup the items that you’re about to concede with this TA.

Why would it be a dumpy Hotel?

This mentality... ugh

Read the long stay vs short stay changes. If you enjoy hanging out across the street from the airport then I guess it wouldn’t be bad. But most neighborhoods around the airport in the cities we frequent aren’t exactly the most sought after destinations. Just one of the small things that irks me to be honest.


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The things that you’ve said over the last few days do not align with a single member of the LEC4DFW movement and I was intimately involved with that group. Those guys had backbone. They were some of the most passionate pro Spirit Pilot guys on the Seniority list. And i say Pro Spirit Pilot, because they wouldn’t say I’m voting YES to get mine for me. Not really sure where your screen name came from unless it’s a joke.

So all of our short stay hotels are dumpy now? And you do realize the 18 hours is between flights not show times and block in. So the difference is only 1.5 hours from current I believe.

Lincoln Osiris and Feng
 

So what. Why do we even feel the need to concede something so pedestrian as this? It’s not like they’re offering to pay us industry leading rates and offering profit sharing for conceding all this... That’s what bugs me about this TA. All these small little things that they threw in there add up to the point where it’s somewhat insulting.

If the union were to came out and say “we got everyone above industry average pay, above industry average retirement, some form of profit sharing or stock purchase options, and locked down the scope language but... we had to give all this up to get it” I’d be fine with it. I understand we have to give a little to get a little.

But instead they’re saying “we have to give all this up now to get below average rates, below average retirement, LTD that only looks good if you pay your own money into it (and we won’t tell you what that amount is), and scope that is anything but iron clad.” Not to mention the scheduling section that you have to choke down that has so many vague paragraphs and loopholes that even the lawyers who thought it up are confused. That’s this TA. The rates are fine. PBS is fine. Just don’t try and screw me on all the little things that they’re trying to hide behind the curtain.

I’m a reasonable person but meet me in the middle. I’m not smart but I’m smart enough to know when I’m getting a garbage deal...


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