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OpenClimb 02-11-2018 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by Boisemedic (Post 2525056)
It's not a retro payment. It's a ratification payment. There's a difference.

Sorry for butting in here, but I have an honest question. What is the difference between a retro payment and a ratification bonus? I’m not being sarcastic. I really don’t know the difference.

Are there differing tax consequences—for the Company or the recipient? Does one pay out even if someone retires prior to the date of signing?

I’ve seen several posts where folks have some strong feelings ref. calling it one thing or another and I still haven’t seen an explanation of any difference other than semantics.

Macjet 02-12-2018 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by astral (Post 2525059)
Still 16% ^^^
A steal for Bob.
Minus taxes and Alpa fees...
Why now?
Wait until June when the meltdown hurts!

I'd argue that it's 0% or less. This payment includes the next 12 months difference in the current 4:15 daily guarantee and the 5:00 that will come into effect once PBS is established. Take the number of days that you will work in the next 12 months, multiply by .75, and multiply by your hourly. We're either giving them the next 12 months of duty period guarantee improvement for free or we're waiving the last 3 years.

flyguyniner11 02-12-2018 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2526214)
I'd argue that it's 0% or less. This payment includes the next 12 months difference in the current 4:15 daily guarantee and the 5:00 that will come into effect once PBS is established. Take the number of days that you will work in the next 12 months, multiply by .75, and multiply by your hourly. We're either giving them the next 12 months of duty period guarantee improvement for free or we're waiving the last 3 years.

You know it’s 4.5 per duty period or multiple day trips and 4 for day trips right? Do you work here?

tweek 02-12-2018 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2526214)
I'd argue that it's 0% or less. This payment includes the next 12 months difference in the current 4:15 daily guarantee and the 5:00 that will come into effect once PBS is established. Take the number of days that you will work in the next 12 months, multiply by .75, and multiply by your hourly. We're either giving them the next 12 months of duty period guarantee improvement for free or we're waiving the last 3 years.

Then you would have a poorly thought out argument.
First of all as someone already pointed out, 4:15 is not our min day, it's 4 or 4:30. Second, you would only look at days you are working that are currently below 5 hours. Then of those you may get up to a half hour more, unless they day is somewhere between 4:30-5:00 in which case you it would be less than :30.

SourGrapes 02-12-2018 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Stimpy the Kat (Post 2521596)
What are you guys figuring as a Bonus for a 15-18 year Captain?

( Approximately )

I'm hearing some interesting figures.

STK

it's pronounced BONE*US, because that is what's gonna happen when you take your payoff money

Boisemedic 02-12-2018 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by OpenClimb (Post 2526038)
Sorry for butting in here, but I have an honest question. What is the difference between a retro payment and a ratification bonus? I’m not being sarcastic. I really don’t know the difference.

Are there differing tax consequences—for the Company or the recipient? Does one pay out even if someone retires prior to the date of signing?

I’ve seen several posts where folks have some strong feelings ref. calling it one thing or another and I still haven’t seen an explanation of any difference other than semantics.

The point I was making is that for a "retro" payment, you could argue it fell way short in "making you whole" for all of the money you lost during the amendable period.

With a ratification bonus, it's simply a bonus of cash paid for "ratifying" the agreement- a sweetener.

8JRMfortheyear 02-12-2018 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by sourgrapes (Post 2526412)
it's pronounced bone*us, because that is what's gonna happen when you take your payoff money

looooooooll

hockeypilot44 02-13-2018 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by OpenClimb (Post 2526038)
Sorry for butting in here, but I have an honest question. What is the difference between a retro payment and a ratification bonus? I’m not being sarcastic. I really don’t know the difference.

Are there differing tax consequences—for the Company or the recipient? Does one pay out even if someone retires prior to the date of signing?

I’ve seen several posts where folks have some strong feelings ref. calling it one thing or another and I still haven’t seen an explanation of any difference other than semantics.

A retro payment is a retroactive raise. Everyone gets paid based on the hours worked after the ammendable date. A signing bonus is used by dishonest companies to take full advantage of the RLA to screw their employees out of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Ed Force One 02-14-2018 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2527776)
A retro payment is a retroactive raise. Everyone gets paid based on the hours worked after the ammendable date. A signing bonus is used by dishonest companies to take full advantage of the RLA to screw their employees out of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And continues to be industry standard because employee groups are simply too beat down to hold out for it.


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