A second T/A is already drafted.
 

One of our union reps that recently visited the school house was over heard stating that a second T/A has already been drafted that includes less concessions in section 25. The leadership has identified hot topics items that could be the cause for the potential failure of TA1. What is unknown is how bad the company wants this deal done and at what costs. The NMB will continue talks after a cooling down period.

Full disclosure: This is second hand rumor.

Wow. It’s getting that desperate to just start making things up now and protecting yourself by saying it’s just a rumor. I was a little worried before but now see this thing will pass easily. I’d say you should get your apps out now but nobody’s going to leave after it passes.

I should say, nobody’s going to leave BECAUSE this passes.

.........and you thought you had zero credibility before? 😂😂

I don't believe this for a second. Why not find out by emailing or calling the MEC or NC before posting this on APC?

This may be a rumor, but I think parts of it probably are true. The company must have a contingency plan if this does not pass.

Their contingency plan: Sit back and enjoy. Dust off TRO for summer.

You are very wrong about that, sir/madam.
Everyone that I know who is voting YES, is solely because they want/plan to leave.
A career NK pilot would not vote for this QOL which will haunt them until retirement!

This thread is a big joke. Talk to a NC member or ask questions at a road show. I doubt very much that there is a plan of any sorts. I believe the NMB will be very busy with JetBlue and Frontier...

I can’t wait to dig up this thread a couple of months from now if turns out to be true.

I thought it to be a little far fetched but it came from somebody that has in past been “in the know”.

Not a Spirit guy but the process simply does not work this way. If there is a better second TA why would your MEC ever even consider the first one? You would move right to the second one. No company would ever negotiate that way in the first place. It would be stupid.

You are right. I shouldn’t have used the term TA. It was explained to me that the proposed drafting for a section 25 that would swing the vote to pass TA2 is already done.

My only guess as to why this would be done is if the NC is having doubts on the success of TA1.

They can write whatever they want, doesn’t mean the company has to agree to it. Plus if this fails the company can seek to change sections that they might be having buyers remorse over.

Wow, peeps must be getting so desperate, so partisan, politics over group, that they have to start fear mongering rumors. Amazeballs!

I don’t understand the fear mongering part.

How is it fear mongering?

I suggest taking a longggggg break from APC.

Fake news.

90% of what is posted on APC is rumor.

Some turn out to be true and some are completely fabricated.

Such as your statement ....... completely fabricated and has no chance of truth.

Which statement are you referring to?

Do you mean a new proposal has been drafted? TA would mean the company and the union both agreed to it, which I doubt the company agrees to even meeting for a year if this one gets shot down. I would say this is Fake News.

Exactly, a proposal, not a TA.

How about we just let the thread die. This rumor was too out there, even for APC.

No no no you are going to sit here and let us revel in your stupidity!

Ahaahhahahhaah. Go right ahead.

I have another rumor:

The NC/MEC and ALPA National agreed to the section 25 concessions to avoid a potential multi million dollar lawsuit for the supposed “illegal job action” last year.

This seems juicy

Unfortunately, this is the most logical explanation I've heard for this T/A yet.

You are a moron... goodnight

97.4%, actually...

I suggest everyone listen to the q and a from Vegas. Minute mark 26 and 34. Questions addressing the value of the Ta and the biggest question of the cycle “what happens if we say no?”


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68.4% of statistics are made up

Can ALPA leadership see the current vote total real time?

They will say no, but I have an interesting anecdote. We voted on concessions at XJT 2007ish. It was a straight 3% drop. The vote started and halfway though they came to us and changed the terms and roll out of the deal. It would now phase in over 12 months. I always assumed they could see the original measure was getting killed in the vote. I have no proof though.

Another conspiracy theory - Sometimes I question myself about the type of people this profession attracts.

No they cant see it.

The votes are recorded, but not counted until the end of the voting period. It is in the disclaimer on the voting website. A 3rd party company that does the vote stuff for alpa...

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It was actually 2008, and no they didn’t change the terms durning the vote, they changed them before the vote started. What did happened was when the vote closed on XY day they said that somehow the votes did not register, so they did a re-vote over a two week period. The turnout was low, and that is where the conspiracy theories came is saying that it probably had failed, and ALPA wanted it to pass so they through out the votes knowing the turnout would be lower with a re-vote. I did not buy into the conspiracy theory.

I also remember it being 9% not 3%. I also remember the vote being conveniently after 340+ were just furloughed instead of having the vote before so they could participate. It was a long time ago though so memory is fading.

I remember a few of those guys landing on their feet and going over to compass. A few are DAL CAs now. Funny how some things work out

Yep. Those that took the preferential (sure thing) compass interview made out well. Hind sight is 20/20. Wasn’t it offered to everyone not just furloughs? One of my major and few regrets in this career.