Training Pay
 

Is training pay still $1600/mo? If so, is that something that’s included in the TA?

It’s 1750/mo. 1000 in salary and 750 in per diem, until IOE is complete or 90 days, whichever is first.

Pretty shameful that the company does respect our new hires enough to just pay them monthly guarantee.

It’s also shameful we didn’t make it a priority to negotiate a change, along with healthcare from day one.

1750/mo. 1600/mo. Same difference. Who can make it on that type of pay? I appreciate the response though.

“Negotiate” means give and take. Curious how much you would be willing to give up to increase training pay?

I’m not the pull up the ladder type. Training pay, health coverage, and first year pay were priorities for me. I also don’t like flying with the misfits, and when everyone is hiring $1750 and no health care doesn’t buy you much for talent or personality.

I agree with everything you said but the question still remains. -what/how much are you willing to give up to increase training pay and cover health insurance?

no health insurance for new hires?

Hiring for 15 aircraft at 16 pilots, so 240 guys on first year. 1000 hours per pilot, $ 20 extra would cost about $5 mil. 2000 guys on property, $2500 per pilot, or about $2.50/hour. Honestly I would be ok doing it.

We shouldn’t have to give up anything. If they want a deal done, which I think they do otherwise we wouldn’t be talking about this, then it’s just a condition of the deal getting done. Pony up. Training pay is a joke but no health insurance is just flat wrong.

Totally agree. There is a lot to be desired in this TA, and offering someone a job with no health insurance is crap. I was just answering the"are you willing to pay for first year pay" question.

Have you been paying attention at all? For the TA we see in front of us anyways, we would have had to give something to get better training pay. The mediator was not going to push the company any further than their previous offer. Yet we still managed to squeeze out a little more money in the TA. We would have to give something up. I would actually be fine with taking a couple bucks an hour across the entire scale to make that happen. Apparently that’s not what the polling data showed. Pilots are selfish people apparently.

Why would anyone apply? No insurance (90 days), No jumpseat till training complete (type ride), low pay and no upgrade. New crappy reserve work rules (TA).

But still they get in line just like you and me did!! People will do what they need to do to survive, I did. Take a look at the future nh numbers it the vacancy bid. enough said.

Sorry, I think it’s “you and I “

So with attitude I am guessing you give all you sick bank to the guys on the current Ltd?? Vote no on this and all you do is continue to hang us all out there with no Ltd. go ask the guys out on medical how it’s working for them. It’s just reality. You would feel different if it happened to you.

This is certainly something very important to me and I’m very aware of the risks. LTD is one of the reasons I advocated for the AIP. I came very close to losing my medical several years ago and it can happen to any of us. I don’t take this lightly and I wouldn’t vote no just over training pay and health care for new hires. Scope is different and just as important as LTD. What I was saying is that if we go back for it they can go ahead and fix the new hire issues for wasting our time.

Has anyone asked why it is that those on our current LTD cannot be transferred to the new “own occupation” terms? It was said that if you go out after DOS but before the new policy is in place you will be covered under the new policy. How is it that we can capture those guys but not those currently on it? Seems like we should be able to

Because it was before the agreement. Company won’t do it.

Be like them saying we should go back and return any transition pay. We would not agree to it.

How many guys could it actually be? United was able to secure longevity credit for furloughs essentially taking them all from 1-3yr pay to 12 yr pay when they returned. These things aren’t impossible.