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Originally Posted by falcon2000aj
(Post 2532677)
This is spot on! This pilot group is full of yes men, they'll be no fighting for a better TA. The picketing events speak for themselves! Accept the new TA or move on! Everyone wants a better deal, but they refuse to pull their weight to get it done. Gimme Gimme Gimme, ALPA owes me, it's the millennial way!
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It'll be interesting to see how many keep voting with their feet throughout the year.
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Originally Posted by Super EZ E
(Post 2532644)
Douglas9 you couldn't be more wrong. Stand and fight. Our problem is we have the RJ mentality/low Tier. Guys don't know any better, so they actually think it's a good TA. Guys I talk to are scared to vote no because "what if"? The union is selling "it's not going to get better". That's just wrong. Wait till you see the profit under the new tax laws. SIGNING BONUS! How many of the senior guys would voted yes if their was no signing bonus? I'd bet not many. Clearly that's why the money is skewed to the senior guys. ALPA is just plain buying votes and pulling up the ladder. For the Company this is a Dream Contract, I'm sure that can't believe how easy ALPA rolled over and gave up the work rules. That was easy. Great job Bendo! You're clearly worth every penny Spirit pays you
Now I believe this contract with substantial increase in wages will change people’s lives. It could also afford people to build a considerable war chest for the next negotiation. Too many people have been making crap wages in this business for too long. You can call it shiny object syndrome but money in the hand now is huge to a majority of the pilot group. By taking care of a lot of the basic needs now will enhance a more enthusiastic fight in the future. |
Originally Posted by Douglas9
(Post 2532780)
Too many people have been making crap wages in this business for too long. You can call it shiny object syndrome but money in the hand now is huge to a majority of the pilot group.
. Wages are STILL BAD in this TA..... reread the compensation section. You take Allegiant out of the “average industry standard” and we are well below that “line” ALPA likes the show off at the road show in their power point. Don’t sell yourself short. Sure there is a "pay increase" but again, because we are so far behind the curve, you would take that 43% increase at face value....it needs to be higher. |
Originally Posted by flensr
(Post 2532748)
It'll be interesting to see how many keep voting with their feet throughout the year.
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No the wages now are bad. When a lot of us signed up to work here top end at 15 years was 185. Now a junior captain is making 200 an hour plus DC and LTD. Did you really think we would get Delta wages? Get real. Life changing for some people.
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Originally Posted by OpenYourEyes
(Post 2532587)
What a difference a year makes. To say we have been sold out is an understatement :(
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Originally Posted by Douglas9
(Post 2532780)
By taking care of a lot of the basic needs now will enhance a more enthusiastic fight in the future. |
Originally Posted by Happy Grapes
(Post 2532659)
Haha.
“Stand and Fight!” Is this what you call 40-50 pilots showing up at picketing events? How about 15 showing up to the FLL roadshow last week? If guys are so “angry” and ready to fight, why aren’t they telling the NC how they failed them and what they expect? According to the Q and A yesterday, 15% of our pilots don’t even participate at all in our 401k, for free money. We demand profit sharing yet 1 out of 7 pilots don’t even take the free money on the table for them now? Apathy. Severe apathy has set in. There will be no “stand and fight.” We would have had the hundreds that Frontier and JBLU had at their picketing events if this group had “stand and fight” in them. Thank God this ends in a week. The false bravado of these forums is sickening at times 43% pay bump is nothing to sneeze at........ how many contracts do you think it took for the Legacy Airlines to arrive at their pay rates? 11% DC is a nice start and improves throughout the life of the contract. EVERY TA has tradeoffs to improvements. Sit down with the wife and explain the positives and the negatives - I bet she will agree with what I am trying to get across. Next round of negotiations you will be in a lot better position for the gains that we fought hard for long ago. The simple fact of low turnout at LEC meetings Roadshows and Picket events shows the will of the pilot group in quantifiable data. The company and the NMB also know this. Congrats on the new contract and wrestling 1B from the most anti-labor MGT in the business is nothing to sneeze at - well done. |
Originally Posted by Shrek
(Post 2532840)
This post says it all...... 50 people for a picketing event ?! :eek:
43% pay bump is nothing to sneeze at........ how many contracts do you think it took for the Legacy Airlines to arrive at their pay rates? 11% DC is a nice start and improves throughout the life of the contract. EVERY TA has tradeoffs to improvements. Sit down with the wife and explain the positives and the negatives - I bet she will agree with what I am trying to get across. Next round of negotiations you will be in a lot better position for the gains that we fought hard for long ago. The simple fact of low turnout at LEC meetings Roadshows and Picket events shows the will of the pilot group in quantifiable data. The company and the NMB also know this. Congrats on the new contract and wrestling 1B from the most anti-labor MGT in the business is nothing to sneeze at - well done. |
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