Originally Posted by Egg320 (Post 2565158)

Different products, different routes, different business model. Nobody is forcing the majors to drop ticket prices...the consumer decides what level of service they want.

Norwegian and Spirit are Costco...DAL/AA/UA/BA/QF etc are Farmers market...supposedly better qualicy for a premium price.

Using your argument Spirit A320 pilots are undercutting UA A320 pilots...

Yeah right!!!

Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2564166)

Absolutely untrue. Any pilot flying to put other pilots out of business by flying well below market rates, like NAI Captains flying for $10 per month, are 100% hurting all of us. Not much different than scabs really. Its the first thing we hear during contract negotiations when we talk about pay and work rules.

Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2564166)

Absolutely untrue. Any pilot flying to put other pilots out of business by flying well below market rates, like NAI Captains flying for $10 per month, are 100% hurting all of us. Not much different than scabs really. Its the first thing we hear during contract negotiations when we talk about pay and work rules.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2569271)

...for pilots trying to improve conditions at crappy companies (Ryanair/frontier/spirit) (nodergree/dui?))

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2569271)

As you can see from my other post in here, I totally agree on the pay issue. That said, a scab is someone who crosses the picket line and performs struck work at a company where the workers are on a legal strike. Using the S word for other things will just devalue it.
Maybe we need a word for people who bring the industry down by accepting below standard rates at crappy companies (incrustation/blackleg anyone?) with no chance of improvement (Norwegian/skybus/any 36N cargo company/wow/wizz)


(and another for pilots trying to improve conditions at crappy companies (Ryanair/frontier/spirit) (nodergree/dui?))

Originally Posted by ropestart (Post 2569358)

No degree and DUI’s.? That’s a pretty stupid statement bud. I have a masters, no criminal record and I’m at Spirit. Love it here and will stay, no desire whatsoever to be at a legacy.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by Jett i son (Post 2569299)

Ryanair should not be in that parenthesis :eek:
...they have no work rules!
Is that an accurate statement of NK pilots?
Rejects that can't get a job else where because of no degree/DUI?
I' am at the wrong place then.
We agree on the subject of EU, UAE and Asian airlines.
Most U.S. union protected work rules, do not exist even at the best airlines overseas.
Another reason why contract negotiations should NEVER include work rule concessions.

Originally Posted by Egg320 (Post 2564156)

Not a very nice thing to say about your fellow pilots who are just supporting their families and causing absolutely no problems for you, your wage package or career at all.



it is not a flag of convenience carrier either. They are using an European Union AOC and American carriers due to open skies agreement can open bases in Europe if they so choose and fly point to point in Europe which EU carriers cannot do in the US.



Open skies allows EU carriers and US carriers to fly between any two points in Europe and the US and the agreement is actually more in the US carriers favour.



So this argument that they are a flag of convenience and causing job losses in the US and wage reduction is an absolute rubbish argument.



Its called competition and to wish your fellow pilots a failed career which results in their families suffering is pretty pathetic!

Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2564166)

Absolutely untrue. Any pilot flying to put other pilots out of business by flying well below market rates, like NAI Captains flying for $10 per month, are 100% hurting all of us. Not much different than scabs really. Its the first thing we hear during contract negotiations when we talk about pay and work rules.

Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2571426)

... he was a 787 Captain making $97,000 a year.

If they don’t think that hurts the rest of the industry, they’re crazy.