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AllOva736 05-02-2018 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by Jett i son (Post 2584476)
YOU got off reserve, good for you looking out for number one!
That's shortsighted and self-centered and the reason why this turd passed at 70%.
I got off reserve too, but was not willing to throw the whole reserve QOL under the bus because I was not affected by it.
At a previous airline this attitude backfired at those few who did not care much about the commuters, when their base closed!
It's supposed to be a union remember? NOT each one for themselves...
Bob and Bendo would love that!
Unfortunately it looks like they partially succeeded.

What the F are you talking about? No one threw anyone under the bus when it comes to reserve pilots. The reserve guys did it to themselves by abusing the system everyday. God I'm sick of you crybabies who feel you should get paid to checkerboard and that going to work should be a rare event. Looking out for number 1 is a phrase people like you use when the group wasn't looking out for "your" specific interests.

fly20201 05-02-2018 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 2584535)
What the F are you talking about? No one threw anyone under the bus when it comes to reserve pilots. The reserve guys did it to themselves by abusing the system everyday. God I'm sick of you crybabies who feel you should get paid to checkerboard and that going to work should be a rare event. Looking out for number 1 is a phrase people like you use when the group wasn't looking out for "your" specific interests.

How was doing something the contract allowed "abusing the system everyday?" It seems to me that working as little as possible while getting paid as much as possible is just smart. Don't be mad at those who were lucky enough and smart enough to enjoy excellent QOL.

gatorbird 05-02-2018 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by Jett i son (Post 2584476)
YOU got off reserve, good for you looking out for number one!
That's shortsighted and self-centered and the reason why this turd passed at 70%.
I got off reserve too, but was not willing to throw the whole reserve QOL under the bus because I was not affected by it.
At a previous airline this attitude backfired at those few who did not care much about the commuters, when their base closed!
It's supposed to be a union remember? NOT each one for themselves...
Bob and Bendo would love that!
Unfortunately it looks like they partially succeeded.

Whatever dude. The reserve drop game was doomed years ago. Reserve now looks like everyone else’s reserve.

AllOva736 05-02-2018 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by fly20201 (Post 2584540)
How was doing something the contract allowed "abusing the system everyday?" It seems to me that working as little as possible while getting paid as much as possible is just smart. Don't be mad at those who were lucky enough and smart enough to enjoy excellent QOL.

Because they made it so the company couldn't use them. If RSV guys didn't all do it every week you would still have it. Just because something is allowed in the contract doesn't mean it can't be abused. I'm not saying it's wrong but treating it the way people did ensured its destruction. Smart enough? It doesn't take a genius to figure out how to drop a work day and no one is mad at them for doing it. Just sick of hearing people complain about it as if the whole group should have given something up to make sure they could continue sitting at home.

galleycafe 05-02-2018 05:38 AM

Are we voting on a new contract already?

Have a Grande Latte.

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Total BS 05-02-2018 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by Jett i son (Post 2584476)
YOU got off reserve, good for you looking out for number one!
That's shortsighted and self-centered and the reason why this turd passed at 70%.
I got off reserve too, but was not willing to throw the whole reserve QOL under the bus because I was not affected by it.
At a previous airline this attitude backfired at those few who did not care much about the commuters, when their base closed!
It's supposed to be a union remember? NOT each one for themselves...
Bob and Bendo would love that!
Unfortunately it looks like they partially succeeded.

Your virtue signaling here just makes you look like a fool. Exploiting the CBA such as checkerboarding is great, but expecting that loophole to survive into our new contract is beyond unrealistic.

fly20201 05-02-2018 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 2584552)
Because they made it so the company couldn't use them. If RSV guys didn't all do it every week you would still have it. Just because something is allowed in the contract doesn't mean it can't be abused. I'm not saying it's wrong but treating it the way people did ensured its destruction. Smart enough? It doesn't take a genius to figure out how to drop a work day and no one is mad at them for doing it. Just sick of hearing people complain about it as if the whole group should have given something up to make sure they could continue sitting at home.

Bottom line is we had them by the balls BECAUSE people were checkerboarding, among other things such as transition. But yet 70 percent were dumb enough to give in for a guaranteed five years of near industry bottom contract because they thought "most people don't get transitions, and most people can't checkerboard." Talk about short sighted!

symbian simian 05-02-2018 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by king10pin02 (Post 2583813)
if the trips were higher credit you would never need 5-6 days in a row, 3 x 25hr 4days and you are done for the month, all i get (7+ yr ca) is 4day+2day or 3day+3day, 18hr 4days or 13.5 3day, im a commuter and its a horrible quality of life

Ha, I wish, haven’t seen 20+ 4 day in a while, most open time in LAS is 14hr 4day

flyingpuma1 05-02-2018 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by gatorbird (Post 2584318)
Nope. Got off reserve years ago. U don’t like it, bid a line. It’s called RESERVE...



Oh why didn’t I think if that! If I could get off reserve I would. But since you offered why yes I will trade with you and take your line.


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symbian simian 05-02-2018 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by GrassLandings (Post 2583233)
Also curious about this ^, and....

What's an 85 hour credit schedule look like for an average line holder? Daily average credit for the pilot group?
Does spirit have 5 day trips?

There is NO 85 hr line for avg line holder, in May only 60 out of 875 lines have more than 85 hr credit. Min credit 72, avg credit 76, avg days off 14.5 excluding reserve which has 12 days off.


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