Pilot only Sleep Room
 

It would seem as this needs to be a new thread.

In my opinion, the MEC Chairman should file an MEC level grievance on this issue.

I propose separate crew rooms and seperate sleep rooms so each group has their own facilities. A win win for both groups of employees.

Gotta focus on hot plates in the cockpit first.

I don't see on what grounds. Where in the contract (new or old) does it say we get separate crew facilities?

I should mention I visit the crew room once a month, if that.

Have you asked him or your status rep about this? APC vigilantism isn’t really a valid way to get something done.

5.I.1

Fiiiillller

crew room INSIDE security and hopefully in terminal 4.
Is that too much to ask?

Exactly!!!!!

You seem to be conflating a "crew rest facility" and a "crew room".

5:I:1: "If the Company elects to establish a crew rest facility at a domicile, it shall be a pilot-only facility and shall meet, at a minimum, the following standards"

Plus, it is conditional - "If the company..."

Contract definition: “Rest” or “Rest Period” means an off-duty period between checkout and check-in, either at domicile or away from domicile.

I'm unsure of what the purpose of this contract provision is for as the FAA defines a rest facility as: "a bunk or seat accommodation installed in an aircraft that provides a flightcrew member with a sleep opportunity."

Now I’m often wrong but I’m pretty sure Crew rest facility applies to the sleep rooms within the Crew rooms.

Statements containing: "If", "may", "at the discretion", "shall make every effort" etc.
are absolutely useless, not worth negotiating capital nor the paper they are written on.
Only, "must", "shall", "will" etc. are binding.

They did elect to and it SHALL be pilot only

5.A.6
“For scheduled or rescheduled layovers between four and five hours (block-in to block-out), the Company shall make available either a suitable crew rest facility or a double occupancy hotel room at an established crew hotel reasonably close to the airport.”

I’ve been told that this is why we have quiet rooms within the crew rooms. They are considered to be “crew rest facilities”

All conditional statements MUST be followed with a solution:

Deadhead will be "to the maximum extent possible" in a big front seat, if no big front seat is available for the DH pilot, he will get 150% for the deadhead.

Transport to hotel "should" be available within 30 minutes after on block, if not the pilot will be reimbursed for ANY option to get to the hotel.

5-E-2-e
The company "shall make its best efforts" to obtain the following:
11). Room assignments and room key distribution in hotel van on the way from airport to the hotel", IF NOT 30 MINUTES OF PAY WILL BE ADDED TO GUARANTEE" (5 years here, haven't gotten a hotel key on the van on a short layover yet)....

I concur. ^^^
Well said.
Where is the remedy?

Of course there’s my personal favorite: “reasonable.”