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Old 06-08-2018 | 02:37 PM
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It would seem as this needs to be a new thread.

In my opinion, the MEC Chairman should file an MEC level grievance on this issue.

I propose separate crew rooms and seperate sleep rooms so each group has their own facilities. A win win for both groups of employees.
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Old 06-08-2018 | 03:27 PM
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Gotta focus on hot plates in the cockpit first.
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Old 06-11-2018 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
It would seem as this needs to be a new thread.

In my opinion, the MEC Chairman should file an MEC level grievance on this issue.
I don't see on what grounds. Where in the contract (new or old) does it say we get separate crew facilities?

I should mention I visit the crew room once a month, if that.
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Old 06-11-2018 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
It would seem as this needs to be a new thread.

In my opinion, the MEC Chairman should file an MEC level grievance on this issue.

I propose separate crew rooms and seperate sleep rooms so each group has their own facilities. A win win for both groups of employees.
Have you asked him or your status rep about this? APC vigilantism isn’t really a valid way to get something done.
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Old 06-11-2018 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by flyboyike
I don't see on what grounds. Where in the contract (new or old) does it say we get separate crew facilities?

I should mention I visit the crew room once a month, if that.
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Old 06-11-2018 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
It would seem as this needs to be a new thread.

In my opinion, the MEC Chairman should file an MEC level grievance on this issue.

I propose separate crew rooms and seperate sleep rooms so each group has their own facilities. A win win for both groups of employees.
crew room INSIDE security and hopefully in terminal 4.
Is that too much to ask?
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Old 06-11-2018 | 10:02 PM
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Old 06-13-2018 | 11:21 AM
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You seem to be conflating a "crew rest facility" and a "crew room".

5:I:1: "If the Company elects to establish a crew rest facility at a domicile, it shall be a pilot-only facility and shall meet, at a minimum, the following standards"

Plus, it is conditional - "If the company..."

Contract definition: “Rest” or “Rest Period” means an off-duty period between checkout and check-in, either at domicile or away from domicile.

I'm unsure of what the purpose of this contract provision is for as the FAA defines a rest facility as: "a bunk or seat accommodation installed in an aircraft that provides a flightcrew member with a sleep opportunity."
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Old 06-13-2018 | 06:13 PM
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Now I’m often wrong but I’m pretty sure Crew rest facility applies to the sleep rooms within the Crew rooms.
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Old 06-14-2018 | 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by StewBlu
5:I:1: "If the Company elects ..."
conditional - "If the company..."
Statements containing: "If", "may", "at the discretion", "shall make every effort" etc.
are absolutely useless, not worth negotiating capital nor the paper they are written on.
Only, "must", "shall", "will" etc. are binding.
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