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Originally Posted by NK Bumble Bee
(Post 2656213)
Spirit does not have a line pilot in the interview, only management.
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Cats are like Bic razors, as soon as it gets old you should toss it and get a new one.
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I’m current ANG and a former active duty instructor pilot. I was asked point blank by Sandy why I wouldn’t just leave when the big 4 call. I gave her an honest answer and I got the job back in Dec of 15. I do not believe it was Sandy, she has done awesome hiring for this pilot group. I don’t think story has any merit.
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I am constantly flying with Military Pilots. Do we still hire non military pilots?
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Sandi is amazing, don't be bad mouthing her with clearly false accusations. there are no line pilots present at the interviews. AT ALL. Only a chief pilot or some management pilot.
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Just wanted to say, this is the first time I think I have ever seen line guys talking up HR people and saying good things about their hiring practices. I think it's awesome and makes feel like I am on the right track applying here.
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Originally Posted by Super EZ E
(Post 2626782)
Let's be 100% honest here. Pulling the "Guard card" so you don't have to sit reserve is what were talking about. Let's add I'll drop reserve days and use my "Guard Card" on weekends (Or any day) that I'm scheduled to sit reserve. Every airline HR department hates this use. Day one after being furlough at a legacy we had a guy show up and get his new ID and walk upstairs, drop the guard card and jumpseat home. He said I'll go sit at my Guard unit till I don't have to sit reserve. BYE!" This has been going on for a long time and now Airlines have figured it out. Delta says they love the RJ guys. They actually come to work and are plug in play! They don't use the "Card"! So if in fact your buddy showed up at Spirit while on Mill leave and was pressed about his use of Mill leave by HR I'd say they think he's a "Card dropper". That's awful bold to be on Mill leave and go interview. Doesn't sound like the Military really needed this person that bad if he can go interview for another job while on Mill leave. I wouldn't hire card droppers. I'm glad HR put the heat to him. Clearly they saw something they didn't like. If you are in the Reserves and protect this country Amen! If you abuse the system don't be surprised when you get called out.
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Originally Posted by CrowneVic
(Post 2658578)
Just wanted to say, this is the first time I think I have ever seen line guys talking up HR people and saying good things about their hiring practices. I think it's awesome and makes feel like I am on the right track applying here.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2659690)
He was on involuntary active duty for one year. Nothing like the situation your quoting.
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Originally Posted by Sherpa
(Post 2657346)
Cats are like Bic razors, as soon as it gets old you should toss it and get a new one.
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Originally Posted by Super EZ E
(Post 2660078)
Answer to your question is no. I've been around way to long for you to act like guys don't drop the "guard card". They do it. Even my buddy at DAL that does the hiring says they've moved to hiring the RJ guys. Why? The guard guys drop the card for the first year to skip the pay and reserve. Sandi busted him and he's out! Move on!! Go to UAL they thinks cool!
Can Sandi ask a female if they are on Planning on getting pregnant and taking maternity leave and not hire her because of that? No because it is discrimination. Can Sandi criticize someone for being on Mil leave and not hire them because they are on mil leave or think that they may drop Mil leave? No because it is discrimination and against the law. USERRA Law protects from discrimination during initial hiring for Military status. Doesn’t matter if you don’t like people using a “guard card.” It is illegal to not hiring them because you are afraid they will use the “guard card.” Now can you prove the discrimination? Probably not. |
Guard/airline guys hosed Desert Shield/Storm .... also in Bush/Cheney USA middle eastern save the world cluster ****. Guard "card" here don't understand. I'm retired USN ... just be honest.
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Originally Posted by sixpack
(Post 2660263)
Can Sandi ask a female if they are on Planning on getting pregnant and taking maternity leave and not hire her because of that? No because it is discrimination.
Can Sandi criticize someone for being on Mil leave and not hire them because they are on mil leave or think that they may drop Mil leave? No because it is discrimination and against the law. USERRA Law protects from discrimination during initial hiring for Military status. Doesn’t matter if you don’t like people using a “guard card.” It is illegal to not hiring them because you are afraid they will use the “guard card.” Now can you prove the discrimination? Probably not. |
Originally Posted by AllOva736
(Post 2660508)
God just stop your crying already. You can make up bs about why your friend didn't get hired all day but it doesn't make it true. I bet everyone who meets you is lining up to hire you with your seemingly cry baby attitude.
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Originally Posted by sixpack
(Post 2660521)
If you think the story is BS that is fine. I don’t know if it is true or not, but if you condone not hiring Military because you think they might take mil leave like Super EZ’s post than you are illegally discriminating per the USERRA Law.
1. You have no honest idea why (your friend) didn't get hired and neither does (your friend.) 2. You can't prove discrimination, without a smoking gun. I can guarantee they have enough military personnel flying the line that you look stupid. 3. It's their company and they can hire whomever they want, or not. 4. That includes not hiring people they believe will be unreliable (for any reason), whiners, and shoulder chips. 5. If you or any mil think it's ok to use the guard card to get out of reserve then **** you and the horse you rode in on. 6. People like that premeditatively waste the companies money and time and that makes them egotistical pricks, which nobody wants in the flight deck. 7. People like that belong at Delta. /rant |
Originally Posted by Fleet Warp
(Post 2660529)
5. If you or any mil think it's ok to use the guard card to get out of reserve then **** you and the horse you rode in on.
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Originally Posted by sixpack
(Post 2660521)
If you think the story is BS that is fine. I don’t know if it is true or not, but if you condone not hiring Military because you think they might take mil leave like Super EZ’s post than you are illegally discriminating per the USERRA Law.
If Super EZ thinks no guard guys should get hired that’s not illegal because he doesn’t hire people and opinions are allowed. If I were “your friend” I would be a bit embarrassed about this by now. |
Trolls.
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
(Post 2660618)
Trolls.
Don’t feed them. |
Originally Posted by Super EZ E
(Post 2660078)
Answer to your question is no. I've been around way to long for you to act like guys don't drop the "guard card". They do it. Even my buddy at DAL that does the hiring says they've moved to hiring the RJ guys. Why? The guard guys drop the card for the first year to skip the pay and reserve. Sandi busted him and he's out! Move on!! Go to UAL they thinks cool!
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I've never said don't hire any group of Pilots. Get that on the record. I'm pointing out the glaring fact what a lot of guard guys do. I'm sure a lot of guys/gals are honest and want to serve. That's why the USA is great. Fact is a lot abuse the system and use it to their own benefit. Other will pay the price. Did you know the tax credit to hiring a Veteran? It's a big deal. Correct me if I'm wrong, it may have run out. If Spirit didn't want to hire Mil guys then Spirit wouldn't call. That's the first falsehood. Sandi know the game and if she thinks your going to screw Spirit you'll get a TBNT letter/email. BTW my last FO was a F18 guy. I told him he had to leave, we don't hire MIL guys. Great 3 trip good guy and stick. LOL
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 2660621)
He still looked hungry....
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Originally Posted by Wayst
(Post 2626907)
is it legal for a company to openly not hire someone because of their military status?
That said Wayst - please describe exactly what they said when they turned him down that meant this was because he was military. The idea that Spirit doesn't hire folks who are military is obviously false, plenty of military at Spirit. Do they discriminate against total ja**as**es? I hope so. The guy is so in demand by the military he can't work his current job, but has time to interview elsewhere? PLEASE!! That is total BS, at least have the courtesy to show up at your current job for just a day or two before interviewing. And yes, they can ask what the hell someone has been doing recently. Just because you're military doesn't give you a total pass to be a raging j***a**! Seriously, it's HR's JOB to be looking out for guys like this. |
Originally Posted by dynap09
(Post 2681649)
No it is not.
That said Wayst - please describe exactly what they said when they turned him down that meant this was because he was military. The idea that Spirit doesn't hire folks who are military is obviously false, plenty of military at Spirit. Do they discriminate against total ja**as**es? I hope so. The guy is so in demand by the military he can't work his current job, but has time to interview elsewhere? PLEASE!! That is total BS, at least have the courtesy to show up at your current job for just a day or two before interviewing. And yes, they can ask what the hell someone has been doing recently. Just because you're military doesn't give you a total pass to be a raging j***a**! Seriously, it's HR's JOB to be looking out for guys like this. |
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