Please don’t leave the plane with no A/C
 

If the OAT is 60F or above it gets very hot in the back with 200ish bodies on board. I know our pax, FAs, commuting pilots, and deadheaders would much appreciate if you ran the APU bleed until air is connected and then shut it down or just leave with it running if you must. I know they are supposed to connect external quickly but even a few minutes and the temp rises fast. Feel free to SETWA all you want just crank the APU when you pull into the gate.

to add onto this:


The company has made it very clear they do not care about apu cycles. apu running for 3 minutes while they hook up GPU is cheaper than engine running for 3 minutes. oh AND the added benefit is we have air! I wish more guys did this. setwa on the taxi in sure, but apu to shut down.

If you’re in the Arctic by all means hit the GPU and roll out but in the southern climates year round it’s like the pit of hell back in row 30 with no air and the pilots are long gone. And start the friggin APU when we start boarding and have them disconnect ground. External can never keep up once the bodies come on.

I disagree, if the external air is working well it will remain in the low 70’s even with 230 souls in the back.

That’s a big if it’s working...

90% of the time external air being hot is a direct result of the gate agent not putting the temp probe in the cabin

And every time I see that I email [email protected]. also email every time cargo door is opened before power and air is connected. I will give them a few months, then every aircraft I leave will have the APU running if it doesn't get better.

No way! It's a sauna back there. Give me a break. Run that APU and pull the hot air!!

Please stop turning on apu bleed the second after the engine is shut down. Let the motors spool down so we don’t suck all the exhaust into the apu intake.

Whoever is teaching new hires to turn on apu bleed while turning off the fuel pumps.
STOP IT!

Can we also bring up the PTU and immediately turning off the Y pump?? :D

Its not that “they” are teaching it, but rather its simply in the the published parking flow, after turning off fuel pumps. “APU Bleed as required”. They are well within the SOP to turn the APU bleed on during that flow after engine shutdown.
However, technique wise, yes avoid exhaust fumes is a good idea by waiting a few seconds after shut down. Depending on where the wind is from, you might be just fine doing it immediately after shutdown, other times not. Its not a perfect science. Dont be so grumpy. Lol

Or you could wait to turn on the bleed during your parking flow and have your CA immediately reach up and turn it on.

Or you can not turn the bleed on at all and shut down the apu without a 3 minute cool down period...

Just got off another DH with no air the entire deplaning. Choking on your seat mate’s got breath for 20min is lovely. Take care of your fellow crew and passengers, it rank back there away from the door with no air when the OAT is above 50F

And it can’t be for fuel savings if on the same flight we are rattling the overheads of the ceiling with full reverse to get off at the first turn on. 10,000ft runway


Sorry just grumpy after a 4 day. Where’s the two day trips spirit??

Why can we do it after the second engine start then? No waiting 3 mins there...

It’s two minutes, and it runs on its own for those two minutes after you’ve deselected the master.

What do you propose? Pilots aren't going to wait around for every passenger to get off.

Systems knowledge and common sense has no place here.

Why is your DH in the back of the plane? DH on spirit should be booked at the time it’s put on your schedule. They are to be window or isle at front of the plane. Also 24 hours prior you are to be given big front seat of available. Also emergency exit if flight is over 3 (?) hours...

What's this 24 hour rule? CBA 8.B.4 says you'll be upgraded to BFS "at the gate"
Nothing bout 24 prior

The full reverse to probably to keep the brake temp down for the next crew. I assume you wait until every pax gets off with the APU running, or make sure the ground air is hooked up and working before you leave right?

Not if you’re hitting brakes hard anyway to make the first exit. Brake temp isn’t an issue anyway unless it’s vegas in the summer. We never really used full reverse unless it was summer for brake temp, short, or contaminated. Somewhere along the way culturally (contract negotiations maybe) we all started using full reverse every landing and rattling the bins off the ceiling. Hey I don’t care how people want to use reverse so to each his own. Fly it your way. I was just saying that not using the A/C couldn’t be for fuel savings if using full reverse to exit on the first turn on a long ass runway.

And yes I run A/C until either external is hooked up or we are down to the last quarter of the airplane left to deplane. If it’s cold outside yes I just split right away and leave the it on GPU only.

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The seat assigned will be a window or aisle seat if avail- able at the time of the assignment or, if such seats are not available, the seat assigned will be as far forward as possible. This priority does not include the big front seats or emergency exit row seats, but includes, subject to the requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act, the row of seats immediately behind the big front seats. Only seats that have already been purchased and assigned to revenue passengers or occupied by a senior manager or above traveling positive space will be considered un- available.


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Deadheading pilots will be upgraded at the gate to premium seats that remain available (big front seats and exit-row seats [window/aisle, middle], in that order). Seating assignments shall be made in first-come, first-serve order when two or more pilots are deadheading on that flight.

Regardless of me how about care for our guests and FAs in the back

Encouraging people not to use full reverse, real smart. I use full reverse every single time. Enjoy explaining to the FAA why you didn’t use full reverse and went off the end of the runway because the “overhead bins rattle”.

Hmmm... I didn't realize you had to use full reverse. Those aerodata numbers must be crap.

1: aerodata numbers don't give you reverse benefit unless you specifically ask for it and more importantly:


2: autobrake system makes it so whether or not the reverses are idle max or OFF , the stopping distance is the SAME.

I get what you're saying but you're showing a lack of systems knowledge with that argument

Dumb post. My first 7 years here, no one used max reverse. Yep it’s needed on a 12,000 foot runway. 🤦🏻*♂️

I understand how the auto brakes work thank you. All I'm saying is the day someone goes off the end of a runway because they are hell bent on using only idle because the "overhead bins rattle" then land long, one of the FAA's first questions will be "did you use reverse?" Enjoy explaining that to them and one conversations i'd rather avoid all together.

I think you're reaching here. Maybe I should stand on the brakes every time. You never know... I'd hate to have to explain why I didn't someday. While I'm at it, I should only use TOGA thrust on takeoff.

I present a weak argument with another:

Did you land with autobrake med? Or did you apply max braking power as soon as the mains touched down?

No? Oh, well why not.


See how baseless the argument is? We're not over here slamming landings carrier style with full brakes.

No need to get your panties all in a bunch and no we use brakes every time to get off the runway anyway and with this airplane as we know the most stopping power comes from full manual brakes. Do we ever use that? No, I hope not at least. But regardless we do use the brakes. I used to work at a part 142 facility and dealt with feds all the time and this once came up which is why I thought I would chime in from their perspective is all. I recalled an AC from about 10 years back that was actually issued because this was so prominent and runway overruns were becoming more common. After searching I actually found it AC 91-79. - " (4) Thrust reversers, if installed, are also most effective at high speeds and should be deployed as soon as possible after touchdown." Everyone is in charge of their own ship, I just thought the "overhead bins rattle" argument was not a good one. And with full reverse you save the brakes for the next guy :)

Again, my point was to use reverse however you like but the guys that left us in the back sweating weren’t doing so for fuel savings.

Also, as stated, if you use auto brakes at all the stopping distance is the same with full reverse or idle.

I guess not....
Read the shutdown part again. It does the same thing.
He’s confused about BATTERY power.
You can turn the bleed off and shut the master off before 2 mins...all day every day...

You didn’t read his statement...
Nice try though.

What is “saving the brakes”?

I prefer you save my engines... Think about that when you are doing a red eye jungle turn.

'Your' engines belong to Ted.

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They are “my” engines while doing a toga take off in a 321 at 2am from SJO with 220 passengers. But I’m glad you save the brakes on a 13,000 foot runway.

So much aviating. So much assuming. So much everything I can never hope to achieve.

I yield to your leadership.

And I was wrong. The engines belong to Wells Fargo.

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It means not heating them up or else people get on here and complain about hot brakes.

Please tell me how not using full reverse on landing saves your engines.

I don’t have to, I’m kind of a bad ass now!