I’d like to think the same thing....

I budgeted and saved for up to 3 months on training pay. When all is said and done I won’t see a check that’s more than $800 until my 5 month of employment. I’d rather pay my mortgage than buy a $500 leather jacket or a navy blazer that won’t be part of our uniform in 3 months. We all shelled out the cash for the proper uniforms pants, shirts, ties and whatever else will make us look professional once we hit the line, if you’re getting hung up over a new hire pilot wearing a coat that actual protects them against the elements during a walk around in -10 and snow then you may need to re-evaluate some things about yourself.

Leather jacket gets payroll deducted at $25/paycheck and they pay you back the full amount after 36mo

In that case I will think about it at month six ;)

New uniforms and a ‘North Face’ style approved uniform jacket can’t come soon enough.

We work at Spirit. I'd look for it to be closer to a ' members only' style jacket or maybe a 'kirklands brand' knockoff.

What I don’t understand is why we have so many pilots here who sit and stew about what the other pilots are wearing to the point that they lose sleep; it isn’t worth it! If it really is bothering you then kindly.... if you can do that... let them know that they look out of place and should probably look into some new clothes. Don’t bring it here to the message boards, that’s too petty. And it’s only duty on to duty off, what your co pilot wears at the curb waiting for the driver is up to them.

You guys should be focused on the issues that are much bigger.

Lol, how stupid...Lets put a North Face jacket over a dress shirt and tie. These WN pilots wordrobe are being abused. Stop the cruelty!!!

I’m not exactly losing sleep over it. I do find it strange how hard it is for so many to just follow the rules. And clearly some get quite buthurt when you mention it.

I don’t think anyone is blasting the new hires who are waiting on their stuff to come in and or be tailored.

We'll never be uniform and we shouldn't be. There has to be a range that is acceptable. Some guys are hot. Some guys are cold. Some guys are fat. Some guys are fit. I'm a sweater guy and I look more professional in my sweater with epaulets than the gordos do with their gut stretching their Van Heusen over their belt. And that takes talent in that maternity cut shirt. We could do better but this is small potatoes bro.

How about we get some new hires that can stay off their ****ing phones for more than 30 seconds at a time. Or how about some pilots who know their call outs. Or how about some new hires who can run a ****ing radio and answer with a correct call sign in something that even remotely resembles AIM recommended practices. It would be a ****ing luxury to be able to nit pick uniform items with what we're being dealt on the line.

When the day comes that my biggest concern is whether or not we'll **** off Qotsaautopilot with our uniform attire is the day I'll give HR and the training department a big old ****ing atta boy. And for the record, I'm in agreement with you around 95% of the time.

You think new hires are the only ones on their stupid phones??? Buddy, you would be surprised...

Call outs? We have call outs?
I do agree that the guys wearing the sweater with their stripes look like they belong on star trek.

So you want me to say tree instead of three??😂

Felt like this my entire last trip. Was the interview given in Spanish?
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No, not at all. It's an issue that permeates the ranks in both seats and society in general. But it appears to be more of an issue with the new hires. Perhaps the insulting first year pay doesn't make this seem like a real job. Judicious use of the parking brake and a 'whenever you're ready' usually gets the message across with little conflict.

'dat is korrect'

I agree, until the company takes our uniform seriously, wear what works. We have no official winter gear other than the flasher coat.


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Yep. I have and always will wear whatever I want to. Contempt for authority and disdain for Mickey Mouse uniform standards are some of the things that makes this pilot group special and a force to be reckoned with during labor actions. If you need to have spit shined shoes and a perfectly pressses uniform when you show up at the airport that’s fine but you probably won’t fit in very well.

The official winter uniform is the blazer or the leather jacket. There is not an approved trench coat at spirit. The leather is payroll deducted at $25 and they reimburse you for it at 36mo. Really no reason we all shouldn’t have it unless you’re partial to the blazer only. It’s not the most fashionable jacket for being out on the town but neither is my pilot shirt so I don’t wear either.

This must be bait. A force to be reckoned with? We litterally have the second worst contract in the business and I’m sure some frontier pilots might argue the worst.

I have the leather jacket, it’s good but sometimes not enough. When I completed training, I was handed one set of epaulets and told to find some navy pants. That type of approach to uniforms is why there is so much “individualism “


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You got epaulettes?!?! Lucky dog.

After I finished training, they told me they were out. Oh yeah, and "Welcome to Spirit!"

I'm too fat for the leather.

Plane Coffee

What’s with the sweaters?
 

This ^^^^ Also they were out of epaulets for 2 months when I upgraded.


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Which business would that be...

I'm sitting here on a bankruptcy/merger contract and LOA from 2013 (ammendable in 2023) that caps FO pay at year 4 and CA at year 10. I get a 50% match on 401(k) contributions up to 2% of my gross earnings (1% in matching).

Yes, I'm at a regional, but yes, we're part of "the business." Also, I'm pretty sure neither Allegiant, nor Sun Country's contract is any better, if you want to take the small slice of the industry where Spirit sits.

If you only want to compare to FedEx, UPS, AA, Delta, United, Alaska, JetBlue, Frontier, and Southwest, then maybe you're right.

A jacket with some warmth for the walk to/from the airport, getting to hotel, walk arounds and general warmth on the road to prevent getting sick is a good idea. The blazer obviously does not accomplish this, nor does the super overweight fighter pilot wanna be jacket that costs hundreds of dollars. Two viable solutions are a NICE fleece of some kind with a Spirit logo or the professional looking waterproof trench coat that has a zip in liner, it also allows room for you to wear your blazer underneath and the jacket folds up nice and compactly. For those of you who do not want to wear it out on the road for whatever reason? Just bring a fleece. I believe all three: a fleece, blazer and trench coat jacket should be the uniform. That way we can all be in approved uniforms without freezing our butts off or lugging around a super heavy, ugly leather jacket.

When comparing contracts, Majors are not compared to Regionals. Apples to Oranges...

Viruses cause illness and, aside from hypothermia, cold temps do not.

By that argument ULCC are not to be compared with LCC and legacies.

Allegiant has profit sharing. Don’t insult them like that.

The change to black and the Aviator Karbon will fix everything. I'm not even being sarcastic for once.

Not even close to the same thing

What did their last profit sharing check amount to???

I'm currently not at this particular airline, but an outsiders perspective can sometimes be helpful. I don't see an issue with wearing a nice fleece or NF jacket. I fly with captains all the time at my current airline who fly with black sneakers, and a normal winter jacket. I don't think there's an issue if it looks professional.

Are you out of your mind!?!? Have some class and pride in your work. This isn’t the regionals anymore. Our pilots look like bums and you’re over here on the sidelines calling plays that ensure we lose.You want to be paid like a real pilot? Then I suggest you start acting like it. You’re probably the same guy who smokes a vape while he does his walk around. Pathetic!

OH my the drama.

Not drama, It’s a matter of respect for the profession. The guys hired in the last 5 or so years are the root of evil. We have strayed so far from the principles of this company. This current group wouldn’t survive a day, the way things use to be.We were respected within the industry and looked up to.

The first rule of trolling is to not suck at it.

Say whaaaat?

Hey man, go retire already the industry doesn't need your backwards a** views. Its guys like you who wait til 65 to retire, and hose guys like me trying to make a career.

Wow.



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