What’s with the sweaters?
 

Are these commando sweaters the new North Face? Did I miss the read file where these became approved uniform? I see them everywhere.

Blazer or leather jacket. It’s that simple

Self governed, complete autonomy on appearance. If leadership doesn't care then no use getting worked up.

i have one from previous airline, super functional, looks better and more professional than the guys still wearing black northface jackets. not to mention 10% who wear the wings on the shirt when our book specifically says only on the jacket/blazer 🤷🏼*♂️

I had one too. I have a new job now and it’s not approved uniform so I don’t wear it.

I now start the apu the second I get on the plane. I turn the temperature selector to full cold and leave it there the rest of the flight.

I now need to wear a sweater and it’s glorious. Thinking about switching my undershirts to turtle necks.

Maybe we can get some half black and half yellow sweaters that look like the ones they wear on StarTreck, with an “S” on the shirt or an Airbus silhouette for the logo. We would look pretty cool walking down the terminal...;)

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The day one of our PAX decides to switch airlines based on what their pilots are wearing is the day we've forgotten our business model.

Really? How about the crappy shoes folks wear to work? No $hit I had a new hire FO ask if I had duct tape so he could patch the hole in the sole of his shoe? I told him to call Ops and have a Mechanic bring some speed tape up for his shoe. The black tennis shoes look great with the stupid bomber jacket!! :eek:

My stupid bomber jacket is approved uniform issue; has been since I bought it in 2007. And I polish my shoes. You know, the dress kind. And wings on a shirt? Soooo Deltuh...

Yep.
Besides fleece lined NorthFace is best combo of warmth for walkarounds in MSP, ORD, DTW, BOS with out weighing 20lbs and no place to put it on next legs in FLL, SJU, PHX etc. and not wearing the bomber at the hotel either. I do wear my blazer as long as I can but eventually during the winter the NorthFace comes out. I do polish my shoes, iron my shirts(no wings) , have my pants pressed.
And when I'm in a 319 that wont stay above freezing on a 4 hour flight the NorthFace is perfect for something to just throw on. Sorry to the haters but just too big a gap between the blazer and the bomber. Not suffering because i work for a company without enough innovation to have a approved sweater or mid weight jacket.

In the cockpit with the door closed, go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt or a blanket. In public, approved uniform. Btw those down puffer jackets that you see everywhere are awesome for the overnights. Warm and they stuff into a sack the size of my toiletry kit. My leather jacket stays in the hotel closet

I have a north face style jacket and fleece vest in addition to long Johns available for the overnight. My leather jacket only gets worn on duty. WTH are some of you packing that you can’t carry both easily?

Or here’s a thought. Carry a vest to go under the blazer for all three minutes of your walk around.

I’ve been wearing a black with no branding “north face” style jacket around. My leather jacket has been at Perrone getting tailored for the better part of the winter. New uniform is supposed to have a north face style option so hopefully they get the ball rolling on that soon. As for everyone else, if you want to wear a tactical looking sweater then have at it, doesn’t really bother me. As for it not being “approved” neither is taking a snack box from the galley.


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This is all great but on my last overnight in ATL, the van driver didn't even recognize my FO as a pilot being dressed in his Northface jacket with his bright Blue " Dickies" pants. Seems so many pilots have no consideration of looking professional. I know, go work for Delta, but take some pride in your appearance. And let the haters begin.

I think that’s a great idea. However captains should get the yellow shirt, and first officer should get a blue shirt. Nobody wants the red shirt because those guys always die when they beam down to a planet. If we’re keeping with the whole Star Trek theme.

My personal opinion.

Every halfway decent place I have worked for provided a uniform. I went to NK (2013) and got $38/hr and no uniform paid for. If a company can afford to give a free uniform to every pilot except new hires you can expect non-compliance. It costs $500 to give every new-hire a free uniform, but NK is too cheap to do it, you get North face, Dickies, aso. Yes, I knew that when I got, hired, just as NK should have seen the black uniform pants coming when they hired me...

I will not be the uniform police until they provide a free uniform to new hires.

This. I got several shirts, pairs of pants, hat, tie, a suit jacket, trench coat, and Luggage Works RON bag as a new hire in new hire class at the regional I used to work for. Got a three-in-one winter coat a year later that I still wear because it's actually comfortable, professional, and warm. That was a regional airline. Thankfully the colors were close enough to Spirit's that I'm still able to wear that same stuff and "look like a pilot."

Would you guys like a gas card to pay for your gas to the airport too? Or will you be walking because the company doesn’t pay you for that? IIRC most regionals, at least up until a few years ago, didn’t provide hotel rooms. What did you guys do, sleep in tent cities outside of FlightSafety?

Geez, just wear what the guidance tells you to wear. Not that hard.

Paid single occupancy hotel room. Paid uniforms. Paid luggage. Per diem for all training not at HQ. $400/week stipend for first four weeks, then minimum guarantee. Positive space flights home for Thanksgiving holiday. Oh and as far as gas, commuters got cost of parking in our base or $30/month, whichever was greater, towards cost of parking at ANY one airport of our choice.

At a regional. It's not the same industry it used to be.

If you can afford it for the pilots at 18 months, you can afford it for the new hires. Stop making excuses for not giving a free uniform to the most poorly paid pilots on OUR property.

Spot on. Saw a guy wearing black pants the other day too. Stop looking unprofessional. Dark navy pants are not that hard to find....or at least navy.

I’m not making excuses. But just because Ted/Fred/whoever is in the absentee CEO role doesn’t care doesn’t give us carte blanche to lessen the profession and look like a bunch of disorganized boobs. If someone can’t afford a couple hundred bucks for a uniform change then maybe now’s not the time for a job change.

Sounds great! Why’d you leave?

He/she is probably giving you an example of how “we” as pilots could improve certain aspects in the next contract. No need to get defensive “brah”. ;)

Which is exactly my point. If things are so great in the regional world, why are 90% of regional pilots trying to GTFO? Sounds to me like they saved the china teacups while the ship sank around them. Good for them.

I’m not going to defend our company or our union for the lack of a compensated uniform or lack of a uniform professional standard. Of course I’d like to see NK foot the bill for a QUALITY product (I’ve color/style matched for years rather than use the garbage the vendors provided). But yes, I think we should each be individually compelled to wear the uniform as asked and as set forth in company policy. Call it a professional standard, pride in your profession, whatever. But that’s just me and it sounds like I’m in the minority and just getting old and grumpy. So carry on, wear whatever you guys want and continue to blame someone else for your problems. Entitlement check’s in the mail, same envelope as the profit sharing one.

I think he’s saying that even at the terrible regionals they throw new hires a bone with free uniforms. Maybe it’s something we try and get next negotiations cycle.


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So look like **** for the next 4-7 years? Great plan.

What’s with the sweaters?
 

And yet you think complaining on an anonymous message board is a good plan. Got it there gator. If you’re so worried about how we all look then start calling pro standards every time you see a guy who isn’t in uniform compliance. I’m sure you’ll make lots of friends that way.


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Please don’t follow this advice.
Pro standards is NOT uniform police. It’s the company’s responsibility. One they don’t seem to care about. If you want to narc about uniforms (or hair) call the chief pilot.

Hahahahahaha. Right behind block or better by leg, min calendar, better training pay...But don’t worry we’ll be working on a JCBA before then.

All I'm saying is this: there are plenty of perks that we could negotiate for that would make our new hires' lives easier. They aren't necessities, I get that. Over the course of a career our hourly rates more than make up the cost as compared to regional airlines, I get that. But gestures count. Especially when many people take a pay cut their first year to come here, small financial perks help make that transition a lot easier.

I was fortunate enough to be able to survive new hire pay quite well. But not every new hire is so fortunate, especially some of the regional FOs that we picked up last year. Purchasing new uniform items is a big chunk of change especially when you're on a pitiful ~$1700/month new hire salary to begin with. That's a major reason why you see a lot of our junior guys without the standard uniform.

If the company cares about us following the uniform policy they can either start enforcing it or make it easier for new hires to comply. If they don't care, I don't care. I look like enough like a professional pilot that people ask for directions, want their kids to take pictures with me, and make room in the boarding area for me to enter the plane. That's good enough for me. If it's not good enough for you, you can stop me in the hallway and give some uniform advice in person.

***$1,000/month****

Most people include the per diem.

I completely agree that until we see new hires getting a coat that works for cold weather we cannot expect them to shell out the cash for a Perrone. That said the basic uniform of navy pants and blazer should not be a hardship at this level of one’s career. Black dress shoes shouldn’t be either.
Until the company sees a need to add more honey we can expect the status quo for pay and uniforms. The NC has already stated they aren’t concerned with new hire pay.

I don’t think you’re in the minority we just as group need to have a little more self respect. Btw, Delta doesn’t pay for new hire hotels and United doesn’t pay for uniforms ever. They do reimburse all dry cleaning for life though.

It’s not about you though that’s the point. When we all aren’t uniform we look like a bunch of discount pilots together.

I was just about to say, Delta doesn’t pay for hotels. So for our lack of $1,000 worth of uniforms?? That equates to about 10 days, maybe more, worth of hotels in a 2-month-ish training footprint.... Each airline has different caveats, does it really matter? The FOM states what the uniform shall be. How well it’s enforced is totally up to management...

Relax Francis, I’m not a rat. No interest in taking this to ProStd or CP. If they were concerned about it then they would’ve acted by now. And I’m complaining on an anonymous forum because that’s the whole point of this thread. Pay attention.

Don’t think I haven’t said anything to the gross violators; hasn’t happened often but I’ve brought it up. I don’t need more friends; if someone carries themselves in that manner it’d be a short, rocky friendship anyway.

Well, my friend.....that's what we are. :)

Dress for the job you want

Thing is management shouldn’t have to enforce it. The flight attendants have inspections because they need babysitters. I’d like to think that we don’t.