OMFG, are some of you completely high?! And if so, where can I score some tegridy??? :D;):)

But yet Frontier AND allegiant both have AA.


How much can they honestly benefit from them?

THANK YOU^^^

Anyone believing a word this management says, please remember:

June CBA relief...outside of negotiations!
Last minute PBS...Nov 2017
Distant Learning LOA...outside of negotiations!
Current denial to implement Trip Rigs
RED Green...grievance.
Dropping RES middle days off ...grievance

ALL in bad faith.

United merger?... :p
If and only IF Ted C, and BF get a huge bonus!

F9 guy here. We don’t have united anymore either, lost it 2-3 years probably for the same reason you guys did. Parents and spouse can fly on WN which is helpful stateside (not domestic partner or companion though). I’ve been told spouses can fly on AA as well, but I wouldn’t know. My registered companion isn’t able to zed on AA or WN

How do you think getting Zeds works? You think it’s something the pilots negotiate and then management pays for? Honest question...


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not at all. but the whole "we don't have them because they say they benefit less than we do" is absolute bologna. First of all, zeds are all SPACE AVAILABLE travel. Second, it's absolute dead last in priority (ahead of jumpseaters only) and thirdly they are empty seats that we as employees PAY for, remember, zeds are not free.

Our departments just don't care because we don't seem to care. that's it.

So if that’s the case ALPA national should push for it and say any ALPA pilot should have some sort of non rev benefit on any other ALPA carrier. The company doesn’t care, I agree, but I also don’t think they just gave United up years ago for no reason. There had to be something there or we would still have them.


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I don't disagree at all with this.



as for the italicized, what I am assuming happened is United wanted a return ($$$) for ZEDing on them since we clearly benefit more from them than they do us (we hit what, 50 states and maybe 15 countries, they go to multiple continents). Spirit said no, and out we went. That's my theory

50 states is not even close for us, much lower number. But I agree with what you’re getting at.


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^^^^ This.

Now that many majors are developing their “basic economy” fares to mirror our product (sans bags, seat assignments, added restrictions etc) that may be a product they would be willing to reciprocate in the future. To be honest the only people who have truly benefited from my benefits at any airline I have worked at over the years were my retired parents who were not constrained by time, and a full flight for them meant staying somewhere nice another day or two.

Some are adamant that cheap travel is somewhat of an intrinsic benefit that should come with working in this industry, and if it works for them I’m glad they enjoy it. For me, if I have already shelled out money for a hotel or vacation and I’m traveling with one or more people, the last thing I want to count on is getting to the airport and sit at a gate staring at 40 names ahead of me on a United standby screen. Full fare > unnecessary travel stress.

To each their own.

We had 200 hr FOs here before the ATP rule.

Stop drinking the KoolAid. Even if you have Fedex pay, nonrev benefits are still great to have and use. Obviously not during peak holiday times (though this past year on Thanksgiving Wednesday I got my wife and 2 kids out on non-rev). They are still great to use for when you can.

Last year January grandpa passed and I found out at 8pm. We were able to get on a 1020pm UA flight to go make it in time for the funeral the next day. Sure we could have bought those last minute ticks for about $500 each one way. But ZED was dirt cheap and totally worth it, I think it was about $40 per person. We also love to travel internationally and I would much rather take a foreign airline out of America than a US carrier. Far better service and friendliness. Took Austrian once on ZEDs and we were able to pick pur seats online the day before because the flight was open. $245 for all 3 of us to Europe. We have benies on all AA/UA/DL/SW, the LCCs, and the foreign airlines. It’s totally worth it.

IMO Spirit actually has decent nonrev value that we could and should use to bargain with the legacies for a reciprocal deal. Yeah we don't have a vast network yet (I'll concede on that), but you can actually get somewhere nonrevving on Spirit unlike the legacies where the standby list runs 50 deep and a flight with 39 open seats the night before is oversold by 12 at the airport early the next morning. That is far less likely to happen on Spirit. I've found nonrev travel to be fairly predictable and easier to actually utilize here than when I had UAL and AA benefits at the regionals. Even with my experience as a line pilot, it's pretty rare that we are completely slammed full. There is most usually always a few open seats at the door close, even after all of our nonrevs are on board.

^^^^ last two post spot on!

The one clearly doesn't work here as he said they nonreved on United...

What are you even talking about? Where did Halon indicate that either worked here?