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05-01-2019, 08:06 AM
#111
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Originally Posted by GrumpyCaptain
We should be blowing up that Instagram post. We are dues paying alpa pilots and our money is just as green.
If you want an FO to wear a blazer, maybe negotiate a uniform for new hires. You can’t expect a guy to wear something he doesn’t even have...
If you want an FO to wear a blazer, maybe negotiate a uniform for new hires. You can’t expect a guy to wear something he doesn’t even have...
05-01-2019, 08:08 AM
#112
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Originally Posted by B200 Hawk
Think we are on the same side here. My point was backpacks really aren’t a “professionalism” issue.
05-01-2019, 08:14 AM
#113
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Originally Posted by Macjet
Yes, I did. Spirit pulls most of our ranks from the regional and corporate world which unfortunately lacks some refinement. Sufficient company emails and the aforementioned ALPA Twitter pic serve as my proof. Our FA's and GSA's were subjected to the Disney Institute 3S (or was it 4S?) training and I think it's high time for our pilot group to receive a Professionalism 101 course. Too few here were subjected to a review or promotion board and could use some adulting assistance.
05-01-2019, 08:19 AM
#114
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
United doesn’t pay for uniforms ever. Not new hires and no re-up a 18 mo later. They do however reimburse all dry cleaning
You are correct that they don't pay for replacements due to age and wear (which wasn't a problem until the tax change. I used to write that off)
And they do reimburse for cleaning.
05-01-2019, 08:21 AM
#115
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Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive
They pay for new hires' uniforms, and when the company changes the uniform.
You are correct that they don't pay for replacements due to age and wear (which wasn't a problem until the tax change. I used to write that off)
And they do reimburse for cleaning.
You are correct that they don't pay for replacements due to age and wear (which wasn't a problem until the tax change. I used to write that off)
And they do reimburse for cleaning.
05-01-2019, 08:21 AM
#117
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Originally Posted by Macjet
No, it isn't. It's a discussion about professionalism, personal appearance, and pride in ones self, coworkers, and profession. Have some respect for the position of trust that we're in and for the men and women who came before us. We're in the top 10% of income earners and are entrusted with millions of dollars in equipment and liability. Not to mention the lives that we carry in our hands. Shining shoes and pressing some clothes shouldn't be a major hurdle to cross.
And if you're representing our airline and our pilot group to Congress then you'd damn well better look the part. A blazer is a whopping $120 and if ALPA, or SPA, or the individual can't scrape that together then we need to send someone else instead.
And if you're representing our airline and our pilot group to Congress then you'd damn well better look the part. A blazer is a whopping $120 and if ALPA, or SPA, or the individual can't scrape that together then we need to send someone else instead.
I agree everyone needs to act professional and take the confidence the flying puts in us seriously but some of the most professional, safety conscious pilots I’ve flown with in my career wore a north face or brought a backpack or didn’t wear the company approved pants. Some of the biggest “cowboys” I’ve flown with wore the uniform perfectly. Sure it looks sloppy but the type of jacket the person is wearing doesn’t have any bearing on how much of a professional the pilot is when in the cockpit.
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05-01-2019, 08:26 AM
#118
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Originally Posted by TrojanCMH
I agree everyone needs to act professional and take the confidence the flying puts in us seriously but some of the most professional, safety conscious pilots I’ve flown with in my career wore a north face or brought a backpack or didn’t wear the company approved pants. Some of the biggest “cowboys” I’ve flown with wore the uniform perfectly. Sure it looks sloppy but the type of jacket the person is wearing doesn’t have any bearing on how much of a professional the pilot is when in the cockpit.
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New hires wouldn’t look like chit unless they felt it was acceptable to do so. The problem is we have captains and veteran FOs that send the message to new hires that dressing like crap and or out of the approved uniform is ok so it proliferates.
05-01-2019, 08:27 AM
#119
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Originally Posted by Macjet
No, it isn't. It's a discussion about professionalism, personal appearance, and pride in ones self, coworkers, and profession. Have some respect for the position of trust that we're in and for the men and women who came before us. We're in the top 10% of income earners and are entrusted with millions of dollars in equipment and liability. Not to mention the lives that we carry in our hands. Shining shoes and pressing some clothes shouldn't be a major hurdle to cross.
And if you're representing our airline and our pilot group to Congress then you'd damn well better look the part. A blazer is a whopping $120 and if ALPA, or SPA, or the individual can't scrape that together then we need to send someone else instead.
And if you're representing our airline and our pilot group to Congress then you'd damn well better look the part. A blazer is a whopping $120 and if ALPA, or SPA, or the individual can't scrape that together then we need to send someone else instead.
Back on topic now 😂
05-01-2019, 08:30 AM
#120
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Originally Posted by GrumpyCaptain
We should be blowing up that Instagram post. We are dues paying alpa pilots and our money is just as green.
If you want an FO to wear a blazer, maybe negotiate a uniform for new hires. You can’t expect a guy to wear something he doesn’t even have...
If you want an FO to wear a blazer, maybe negotiate a uniform for new hires. You can’t expect a guy to wear something he doesn’t even have...
The blazer is payroll deducted at like $9 a month. So end this ridiculous "too expensive" or "im not wearing it if its not provided" junk.
You are trying to conflate 2 things...
Someone representing the pilot group needs to have a blazer and look professional when in a government affairs position, thats as simple as that.
On the line, pilots should wear the approved uniform, simple.
Guys don't need to have a blazer on the line, but wear the uniform correctly. Is this so hard? Just admit that this has nothing to do with "company needs to buy it" and more of "Im a slob and dont want to pay $8 a month for a blazer and would rather wear my Columbia fleece". Be honest, this is what it is.
ALPA cropping this guy out of the photo came from OUR MEC because of the blowback from OUR pilots when seeing that photo. This was not a ALPA National thing, this was a large group of our pilots saying "Im tired of being embarrassed by 15% of this pilot group that continues to look like a slob and makes excuses about it."
Winter is coming for the Columbia/North Face pilots. Management is taking notice and crackdowns are coming, and expect the MEC to not get in the way....Winter is coming....good thing you have a Columbia to keep you warm.
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