Trip credit changes?
 

Has anyone noticed that some trips for June have been adjusted to add more credit? I had a trip worth 22 hours that is now worth 25 and have noticed many trips in open time that have also increased in credit for no apparent reason. Any idea why?

This whole thing is bull. I got the email from the Union that there were issues with the extended overnight pay. I swapped from one 20 trip before the email came out in open time to another trip that credited 20 hours. Now I find out I'm going to lose 4.5 hrs pay because the company posted incorrect credit values. I would have never swapped into the trip to lose 4.5 hrs pay. A 23:48 hour overnight. Maybe I'm the bad guy here but does everyone before they swap a trip in flica go through every day and add it Up. They posted the pairing it I feel like they should eat it.

I almost fell for it also but emailed the union before making the swap because it looked to good to be true. Maybe someday I can fly two legs for 15hrs of pay

File a grievance brotha!

Definitely

I agree, they should absolutely eat the cost. What was confusing to me is that trips that seemed to have the correct credit originally now have more credit.

What that will do? The union has acknowledged the companies failure and rolled over with the email, correct? I doubt they'll even accept it.

Good luck, LB!

Sounds like you’re due for a sick call

I think we should fight it. The company cannot lower your line value because they made a mistake. That's on them.

Exactly.

First, the MEC rolled over on this. They should have had every pilot submit an NCC that has a trip with inaccurate credit and continue to do so until the company fixes the issue. Get all these NCCs and submit a class grievance which would go to arbitration. Instead they rolled over for a belly rub from Bendo. How motivated is the company to fix this glitch now that they have pilots picking up trips they think pays 25 hours as advertised, but once you divide and add the math, it pays less. Open time gets gobbled up and the company laughs!

So pilots are now supposed to look at every trip, figure out overnight lengths, rig, 3.5 rig, duty rig, etc and then find the correct correct before picking up a trip? F THAT

MEC needs to grow a sack on this one and fight for its pilots who submit a NCC for a clear case of negligence by the company. How long did the company have to program Flica with new rigs?? 15 months?

FUPM

Just another example of the union not having our best interest.

...and sad that we pay union dues for this.

Yup. Looks like I have one of these too. 23:35 overnight. Guess I'll wait and see.

How many of you complaining are yes voters? We knew the 22 hour layover credit was changing with the implementation of PBS. How many trips are we seeing now with 22-2358 layovers?

Wow! That is a huge concession. Why in the world... 23:45 is the line given a show 45 prior and a 30 duty off. What's the back story? How was that sold?

Has nothing to do with the issue. The issue isn’t a 22-23:58 layover. It’s pay represented as one thing and reality being other.

Perhaps you missed that?

Are you getting paid per the contract? If yes then you don't have a strong case but maybe they'll honor it anyway.

Yeah absolutely nothing. Never mind.

For $200/hr

I think a strong case can be made that the company knowingly misrepresented trips to be worth more than they actually were, allowing pilots to pick these trips up, and adjusting the credit on their pay sheet.

Contractual or not; misrepresenting pay for over 3 weeks now is negligent at best, and perhaps deceit and fraud on the other end of the spectrum.

I would still believe any pilot who swapped out or picked up a trip prior to the union email going out has a strong NCC case.

I don't think it takes any high level math or more than a minute to check for correct credit on a pairing. Sure we should be able to trust it, but questionable pairing credit is not new with PBS. Yes the rigs are different, but taking a second look at what you're swapping into is not a new idea.

True. But I have seen trips, rarely, that have been credited favorably wrong and to my knowledge have been paid what they were advertised as. Sometimes you pick something up based on the companies goof up expecting them to own their mistake.

50% pay rate increase. Duty rig and trip rig increase. Average duty period credit increase.

Fixed it for ya.

Beware X/Y list users
 

Beware X/Y list users.
The X/Y Master List is potentially inaccurate.

If a pilot flew an X/Y list trip in June with inaccurate credit due to the change in long layover language increasing the trigger for the additional duty period from 22 hours to 24 hours that pilot might be wrongly placed lower on the Master List because of the inflated pay credit associated with that pairing.

15 hr 4 days are totally rad.

Maximum TAFB with 15hr credit is 52:30, so start 10pm day one, end 2:30am day 4, really more of a long 2 day.....

I'd say more of a short 3-day, but we're beating a dead horse.

For a commuter those can work out ok with the late start and early finish. Sure, you need to work on 20 calendar days to credit 75 hrs, but you shouldn't ever lose a day off to commuting. It wouldn't be the worst thing ever, especially if you get the occasional higher-credit trip.

I'd much prefer to do that than sit short-call as a commuter.

That's funny, because working 20 calendar days per month sounds exactly like the worst thing ever to me. (Next to RSV)

Good thing those 15 hour 4 days are the exception not the rule. Personally my June line was built with 84 hours and 15 days off.

208 hours TAFB