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SG1159 07-09-2019 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2850452)
“What do you mean? Hold up, let me turn the screens down, WX gain to +4, and a smoke the brakes...ok, what was that about...”


Not sure what most of this means... but you are aware that AOM2 specifically has us set gain to +4 for TO, right? (Except for those tail #s that specify +8....)

Qotsaautopilot 07-09-2019 07:47 PM

You will see communication in the near future telling you heating the brakes up increases their longevity

Omniscient 07-09-2019 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by SG1159 (Post 2850466)
Not sure what most of this means... but you are aware that AOM2 specifically has us set gain to +4 for TO, right? (Except for those tail #s that specify +8....)

Is that why planes are parked with a +4 gain? Because they had it on for take off and never changed it?

Setting a +4 or +8 for takeoff makes sense to get a inclusive shot of the weather out there, but flying around with it?

My understanding was a long time ago it was policy the gain be +4 for the flight, which is why so many leave it at +4, not because guys are doing it specially for take off, or +8, and then adjusting in the air.

In the end, who cares. It was a joke about guys doing the same flows and calls outs from 20 years ago. Just like turning the tubes down doesn’t save them from burn in.

RemoveB4flght 07-09-2019 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 2850300)
Well to me they seem completely different and I personally think it’s a stupid idea. Why change something that not only works just fine but also over 2,000 pilots already have ingrained in their brain?

That then begs the question of why we needed to change from the straight Airbus flows to the oddity we currently employ? Oh I forgot, only captains are qualified to operate lights and fuel pumps...

symbian simian 07-09-2019 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2850500)
That then begs the question of why we needed to change from the straight Airbus flows to the oddity we currently employ? Oh I forgot, only captains are qualified to operate lights and fuel pumps...

Sorry, but I am only qualified to turn the pump on, if they need to be off we will need someone else.

SG1159 07-10-2019 02:48 AM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2850484)
Is that why planes are parked with a +4 gain? Because they had it on for take off and never changed it?

Setting a +4 or +8 for takeoff makes sense to get a inclusive shot of the weather out there, but flying around with it?

My understanding was a long time ago it was policy the gain be +4 for the flight, which is why so many leave it at +4, not because guys are doing it specially for take off, or +8, and then adjusting in the air.

In the end, who cares. It was a joke about guys doing the same flows and calls outs from 20 years ago. Just like turning the tubes down doesn’t save them from burn in.


I’ll take that as a “no...”

Omniscient 07-10-2019 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by SG1159 (Post 2850561)
I’ll take that as a “no...”

You can “take it” any way you please.

A proximity scan for take off has nothing to do with being “required” to maintain a specific gain setting for flight. But I get it, you have been here a while and must be one of those who likes flying around in cruise at +8. Makes everything look super scary. Happy deviating.

SG1159 07-10-2019 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2850577)
You can “take it” any way you please.

A proximity scan for take off has nothing to do with being “required” to maintain a specific gain setting for flight. But I get it, you have been here a while and must be one of those who likes flying around in cruise at +8. Makes everything look super scary. Happy deviating.


Jeez....

I found it ironic that you made a crack about following SOP, when it sounded like you didn’t quite actually know the SOP- SO I ASKED- a VERY simple “yes or no” question....

Which, by the way, you stil haven’t really answered... Very telling.

I never said ANYTHING about being required to maintain any setting for flight- I said TO- and the book is very clear... you know- “SOP...”

And no- I don’t regularly fly around with it set at +8, but I do occasionally find it to be a very useful tool...

NK Bumble Bee 07-10-2019 05:54 AM

Wow guys. If were going to argue about SOP, know the SOP! The AOM defines the tails that are supposed to to GAIN +4 and GAIN +8 and the ALTITUDES associated with them. (+4 below FL200 or +8 below 15,000 depending on the tail). Seeing those gains at the gate doesn't mean that they were their the whole flight, only that they were there below the appropriate altitude, which IS SOP!

RemoveB4flght 07-10-2019 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2850544)
Sorry, but I am only qualified to turn the pump on, if they need to be off we will need someone else.

Well played sir.


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