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So I have an interview coming up wanted to ask a few questions that seem outdated on the forum:
1. Rough estimate on new hire reserve outlook
2. BWI base coming?
3. Training pay?

1. Depends on base, at the moment could be a few months to over a year. This will change with more new hires, but that's how it is right now.

2. No news of this.

3. Still the same. $1000 and $750 per diem per month for the first 3 months or whenever you finish OE.

No official news, but bwi is very likely.

This is 100% rumor and speculation.


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Not necessarily, HQ told our class another east coast base is coming sooner rather then later.

Well then that settles that.

Crab dip instead of high fives or pictures of cupcakes.

I’ve been here for three years now and aside from my initial I have never had anyone other than RE the safety guy come in and talk to our class. Was this in a recurrent?

At May recurrent in May JM the new VP of Flight Ops came and talked to us. He had a Powerpoint prepared specifically for recurrent classes. No mention of BWI base though.

Was in a new hire class, day 1 is at HQ and several big wigs came to speak. All mentioned another east coast base soon.

#1 rule that most anyone can tell you who has been here for longer than a minute; never believe the management speak in new hire classes. It’s rah rah for new guys to get them excited.

Back in the day it was a “fly it like you own it” speech

Fly it like you own it, but we don't want you to ACTUALLY own it, or an interest in it's performance.

mco was rumored for 2-3 years before they opened, wouldnt expect another crew base until mco is fully staffed. “soon” is relative

Just got a CJO with a NOv class date. Just wondering how easy/hard it is for new hires to break guarantee in their first year

Breaking it with straight flying varies widely depending on base, time of year, and is more a function of luck.

You can put yourself on a list that indicates your desire to get called out, but that’s more a way to decide between two reserve pilots who are legal for a trip than it is an assurance you will be called.

Premium pay flights (only available on days off for reserve pilots) are usually the best way to break guarantee

Ok cool, kind of what I figured. Just trying to find out a way to make year 1 pay a bit less painful

Which bases fly the most on reserve?

Based on what’s in open time, it’s LAS

Johnny Walker helps take the sting out...

I got lucky. I broke guarantee quite a lot. We were relatively short staffed Jan-July so I think that definitely was a factor. Hardly flew at all Nov-Dec, but could still break guarantee for certain items that pay above guarantee. Each of those months I broke guarantee, it was even with unused reserve days. Things like move up pay, reschedule into redeye or day off, are all above guarantee. I averaged about 80 hrs a month over the 9 months after IOE/training, and was reserve the whole time. Few months I was well north of 100. Never worked OT in my off days. Movement off reserve should be significantly faster for guys today due to the hire and upgrade rate they are planning.

Just and FYI, there are situations where you are going to do the trip whether you take the MUP or not it’s just a matter of whether they are going to delay the flight or not. But in a lot of situations these days where they are a bit more concerned about performance metrics, not taking the MUP means it goes out to x/y for someone and paid at 200% for the whole trip while you stay home instead of an extra 1.5hrs per duty period for you.

Do what you want just sayin.

While what you are saying is correct, an extra 1.5 - 6 hours of pay means a lot more to a reserve guy on first year pay than a senior pilot who dropped everything in IOT and is waiting for premium trips. Especially if that guy had to commute in and pay for a hotel or crash pad.

I never understand why people tell first year reserves to do stuff to help out the other pilots. Usually it’s the same guys saying we don’t need to waste negotiating capitol on new hires. Who here is going to throw their money to the person making garbage new hire pay?

Haha. Yup

“Don’t take that reserve assignment for 6 hours extra pay. Instead don’t take it and buy 3 more hotels: but sleep well knowing a senior FO got an X list call over it.

TBF, Quo specifically said "do what you want", not "don't touch my X-list"

Well if accuracy is what you seek, than at least acknowledge that nobody said “don’t touch my X list” in any post

What he said was “But in a lot of situations these days where they are a bit more concerned about performance metrics, not taking the MUP means it goes out to x/y for someone and paid at 200% for the whole trip while you stay home instead of an extra 1.5hrs per duty period for you.”

Basically sounds like “stay home, not worth it for MUP, let someone get premium pay”

To which 3 of us said that kind of thinking is better suited for Captains making decent cash even below guarantee vs a new hire who will need that MUP in many situations.

A first year guy who commutes to base for a hotel, sitting reserve, should and probably will jump all over a reserve trip with MUP and the savings of the crash pad hotel, and good for them if they get it. Nowhere should this guy think “yeah, I’ll pass to allow someone else to get premium pay”. That’s ridiculous

I understand the commuting issue.

And yeah I do think 1.5 hrs per duty period is a pittance sometimes leads to less x/y but not always. Sometimes you are going to do the trip anyway and there isn’t much way to tell what their plan is.

So like I said do what you want as long as it’s contractually legal. I do hear a lot from FOs that there is little open time to trade with and no premium pay (month dependents obviously) but MUP and gobbling up straight pay, even 10hr three days are reasons why. All compliant so have at it. And as someone that bids rsv a lot I say go for it so I can get assigned less trips. It’s just playing the short game instead of the long if yearly earnings is the goal.

What other game is there if you can't get off of rsv?

I’m loving the convo. But what the frig does MUP mean?

Rsv can fly x/y too

Move-Up pay. 1.5 hours/duty period.

If a reserve pilot is short called, they have three hours from the time of the notification. Occasionally there is an operational need for the flight to go out on time, or not be delayed further by a reserve pilot taking their “full 3”, so at their discretion scheduling can offer Move Up Pay, which is 1.5 hours per each duty period in the trip. However in accepting the pay, the pilot must be able to make the earlier report time.

The advantage for a reserve pilot is that this 1.5 hours (as much as 6 on a four day) goes “on top” of reserve guarantee.

So one poster here is saying if a reserve pilot were to say “no” to a move up pay assignment, and the company was desperate for the flight to go out, they could potentially call a line pilot on their day off and offer them premium pay (200%)

I guess his rationale being that collectively we should fleece the company for maximum dollars by sacrificing your individual opportunity to fly it for less money.. or maybe that new guys should learn to play ball and let senior guys make money because one day it will be their turn.. personally I would never begrudge any new hire from flying a reserve assignment for extra money.

In reality scheduling would probably call another reserve pilot who would gladly take the trip anyways, you have no way to know what their next move is.

Yeah, doesnt make much sense...

"Hi Reserve Pilot, can you make it here in 2 hours?"

"Sorry, ill require my full 3"

"Ok, ill hang up with you and process the Y list in order to try and find someone to pick up the phone and get here in....wait....thats right, Y list gets the full 3 hours report time too"


They will either pay the MUP or move to the next reserve pilot, which honestly would sound like a incorrect assignment. "Hi, we are tagging you with the trip because the junior guy with the same number of RAPs wants MUP and we wont pay it"

In the end 99.9999% of the time they will pay the MUP or delay the flight.

I guess I don't follow you. If yearly earnings are my goal, I'm taking all the mup and xlist trips I can.

Copy that and thanks for the explanation

Y list doesn't require 3 hours.

“Pilots may opt in to the Y List for any Spirit City for which they are able to report in three hours or less. ”

3 hours to report. Even better than the reserve 3 hours to depart. You want to rush early, that’s on you. But you have 3 if you answer the phone on a Y and they tag you without you having right of refusal, being a Y list

3 hours or less. Or less.

What are you talking about? Read the union reads on this and the contract. If I list for Y list and they call and I pick up, I have 3 hours to report. IF can make it earlier, that’s on me. Just like they can’t say “oh you picked up, you have 45 minutes”

This is no different that reserve stating 3 hours to depart, but pilots will make best effort to get there ASAP.

They can’t Y list you can say you have to be there is less than 3.

It’s highly unlikely to go Y list if they were originally calling reserves in base. Probably would be an X list call.

This is correct