New Hire Bases
 

How senior is DTW or ORD to get as a base as a new hire?

as of the last vacancy, DTW and ORD within 4 months of DOH

DTW is going to newhires straight out of training. ORD might take a few months.

DFW?


Filler.

According to the January 2020 bid pack, the most jr pilot in DFW is an Aug ‘19 hire.

Last bid, closes day after tomorrow, includes December newhires:
ACY/FLL/DTW while in class
ORD/LAS/MCO 1 month
DFW 2 months

64 newhires planned for January, I would be surprised if they cannot hold every base of the bat.

I’m getting over the regional captain thing really fast, due to timing I would love to be at spirit around June 18th of this year and in LAS asap.

Any sort of ideas to what the seniority forecast would be there? I’m curious if people suspect it stammering or moving.

I commute from RNO and there’s no way in heck I’m gonna keep commuting across the country (for more than a few months) if I can avoid it, again.

Currently as an FO you’ll usually be able to hold any base in the system within a few months.


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NK is committed 100% to LAS. It’s fairly senior because the west coast coast commuters and the fact that we’ve been growing MCO. The company has been talking about expanding LAS, I think it’s a fairly safe bet that it will happen. When? Don’t know. Will it grow it before or after we open BWI? Though call....

My two cents: consider commuting to reserve in LAS for a year and figure out how you feel about that. If you’re ok with it, then you’ll be happy. If you’re going to be stressing out about holding a line and getting out of reserve quickly, it might take a toll on you.

I'm still doing OE this month as a new hire. People in my class have gotten every single base except DFW. Theres 4 of us that got LAS and I think 1 to ORD and a bunch MCO/FLL/DTW. Next month I'll hit the line with a build up as a LAS based pilot. Guys in the last 2 classes behind me have already got LAS too and they're still in sims.

Better quality of life to commute sooner to a line ( have no idea of time to line in jr bases ie fll or dtw) or commute to a closer domicile (las) and have a much longer reserve timeline? Also, any further word on uniform changes and or when they will be discussed? Only want to buy the minimum if we are going to black at some point this year. Thx

I finished OE in November. Build up line for December. Reserve for January. Line in February. MCO based.

We will be switching to black at some point this year.

if you are on property when we change they will buy you a full uniform set including 8 shirts. buy the min to get by cuz there is no time table for the change and no one on this or any chat has any inside info

There could be any number of reasons the company would decide to further delay, or decide against new uniforms altogether.

I wouldn’t go washing one shirt and pair of pants every night in anticipation of a switch.

Buy what you think you need for normal ops, and maybe hold off on the blazer if you are a true believer.

Speaking of bases, what’s the likelihood ACY will remain a base for the foreseeable future? Thanks

99.9% ...we are the only airline currently serving acy

So?

(KAUS is served by pretty much every airline in the US, I don't think any have a base there.)

It is completely dumbfoundingly idiotic ANY crews EVER overnight in ACY. I’m sorry. This base is so small with so few crews, it should take almost no effort to build schedules that don’t require outside crews.

I completely get doing a turn and getting stuck/Mx etc, but how we have schedule overnights (for guys in other bases) is simple incredible to me.

Every airline has crews from other bases overnighting in other bases. The pairing optimizer knows all. Cover the schedule at the lowest cost possible.

I understand this. These bases are also much larger, therefore, making far more sense. I’ve been based in bigger huh bases, at other airlines, that never overnighted outside crews.

Again, they seem to care about saving money here. Eliminating outside crew overnights, at a ridiculously/insanely small domicile, that could easily be covered by all ACY based guys, would be a start.

The moral of the story (for everyone that asks) is ACY can close and be served, by outside crews overnighting, with ZERO issues. Who knows if/what BWI would do to ACY. For whatever reason powers at be seem to love it so I would not be shocked at all if it never closes.

lol, this comment is...by the way, who the heck uses the Kilo?

[QUOTE=symbian simian;2960574]So?

Really? The loads are full! Nothing like having your own Airport!

[QUOTE=Super EZ E;2960633]I never said we shouldn't fly there, I wonder why we have a base there. There is probably just as many people commuting from DEN to LAS as we have living in ACY, and the same amount of daily departures. Open the DEN base!

Former ATC.

Thats what the pairing optimizer does. It saves money. It takes into account the CBA, FARs, where we have domiciles, hotel costs, and aircraft mx flow. Having ACY crews doing certain flights could easily push the cost over on something more than simply hotels.

Our network schedule changes each month because we are a growing airline. This changes the overall flying in the system which is why flying moves in and out of bases. Say we add one flight from ACY to XYZ and one from LAS to XYZ this month. They can’t just put those flights in the domicile they originate at. They run the pairing optimizer and it reshuffles the entire deck for the lowest cost. The lowest network cost could very well be the ACY crew doing the LAS flight and the LAS crew doing the ACY flight.

This is super effed up, but you can be home more in FLL by swapping for flying in other domiciles that come and steal our flying. I'm not talking about the pairings that simply pass thru for an overnight before heading back someplace else, but Spirit literally has crews from other domiciles that come into our base and camp out for multiple days doing turns and staying in expensive South Florida hotels for three straight overnights. The only thing they are "optimizing" is the kick below the belt.

As someone who’s based up north, doing FLL flying in the winter = score!! That’s how my trips are built...
Playing a small violin..... :rolleyes:

Well at least it's working out for someone

In LAS 90% of the 4 day FLL trips are jungle turns you can't do because redeye+1.

Did you really say “steal our flying?”

[QUOTE=Super EZ E;2960633]exactly.......

this response makes zero sense

It’s funny he/she used the term “steal”. Regular pilots don’t have a say, period.

Now one has to wonder how much pairing building influence has the union scheduling committee. It is impossible to think that the pairing optimizer it’s building layovers in FLL to do day turns. Bringing a crew from another base and having to pay 2 hotel nights per pilot to do a CTG day turn makes zero sense from the cost perspective. It should be a day trip for a FLL crew. As a matter of fact, all Central/South America/Caribbean turns should be day turns and not built into trips. They pay block (except very few exceptions) so there’s absolutely no cost advantage into inserting them into multi-day trips to balance the trip rig out.

just like all the mco overnights for other bases, some are for early dept from one base to another, we do have morning base to base flights

What I tried to get across, is that flying into an airport doesn't require a base. I replied to someone who seemed to confuse the two.

Anyone have a similar breakdown for DTW or ORD? How soon could an FO expect a line with minimal weekends? Thanks!

[QUOTE=king10pin02;2960923]not really. you can own the airport without basing pilots....

I think one of the main reasons ACY is still open is because our reserves cover BDL, LGA, EWR, PHL, and BWI in addition to ACY. We keep Joe’s Limo in business 😂😂. If and when BWI opens up, who knows what will happen but it will be harder to cover EWR, LGA, and BDL with reserves.

I was being a bit facetious there

it hard to say. With 30+ upgrade and 60+ new hire a month (at least that’s the numbers the company wants). We can tell you how long it takes right now, but those numbers will drop.