Originally Posted by GrumpyCaptain
(Post 3354804)
Anyone under 45 at Spirit is what, 60-70% of the airline?
If you get hired at AA today, and they don't grow, in 20 years you should have about 1300 above you on the NB list, and about 9200 below you, so relative seniority about 10% on the NB fleet. To get to that same RS at NK we would have to grow to 18000 pilots....... What do think is more likely, AA staying the same size or NK becoming the biggest carrier in the US? |
Of course, the flip side is that if there is a recession any time soon and the bottom 20% get furloughed, that’s a lot more people at AA, and if you start over there you’ll very likely be in that lower 20%.
Will that happen. Three years ago who could have predicted COVID. Other than those working with it in the lab I mean, and clearly ven they didn’t take the threat seriously enough… |
Seems like with all the attrition upgrades are really going to stagnate here. I like it here and fully planned on staying but having second thoughts now.
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Originally Posted by Meep
(Post 3354953)
Seems like with all the attrition upgrades are really going to stagnate here. I like it here and fully planned on staying but having second thoughts now.
I am as well. The thought of us struggling now to hire and keep people. Now add the next five years of the legacies hiring 800+ a year.. I don’t see how we are going to be able to staff 300 aircraft. The upgrade times here are going up and at the legacies going down. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
Originally Posted by Sheg0theD
(Post 3354988)
I am as well. The thought of us struggling now to hire and keep people. Now add the next five years of the legacies hiring 800+ a year.. I don’t see how we are going to be able to staff 300 aircraft. The upgrade times here are going up and at the legacies going down.
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Originally Posted by Moonbeam
(Post 3355079)
What was the attrition rate before the 2018 contract was signed? The airline industry has made me bipolar! One year I am ecstatic and the next I am at rock bottom.
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 3355091)
rock bottom huh? Seems a bit dramatic.
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Originally Posted by Meep
(Post 3354953)
Seems like with all the attrition upgrades are really going to stagnate here. I like it here and fully planned on staying but having second thoughts now.
9/11… 2008 financial crisis/furlough… Age 65…. Those were stagnant times. We are hiring. We are upgrading. We are growing. We are heading into contract negotiations in an environment where other airlines are doing the same thing, instead of industry stagnation where they can cry about fuel prices or a few bad quarters knowing pilots have few other options. Could things be better? Always. But some of you spook pretty easily. I wish you the best of luck in your upcoming interview(s) |
Originally Posted by FahQ2
(Post 3355115)
Stagnate…. I don’t think that means what you think it means.
9/11… 2008 financial crisis/furlough… Age 65…. Those were stagnant times. We are hiring. We are upgrading. We are growing. We are heading into contract negotiations in an environment where other airlines are doing the same thing, instead of industry stagnation where they can cry about fuel prices or a few bad quarters knowing pilots have few other options. Could things be better? Always. But some of you spook pretty easily. I wish you the best of luck in your upcoming interview(s) |
Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 3355151)
you can upgrade FO’s if you can’t keep enough to staff the current airline let alone growth. No upgrades means stagnation except for the bottom quarter of the list which will just be a revolving door.
Other people made the decision to leave based on their own situation. Others will do that this year, and that’s ok too. But what you’re proposing is that we will soon (and perpetually) have is 7-800 pilots a year jumping ship, no upgrades, and rejected deliveries or parked aircraft. That’s called hyperbole. Let’s hit double digit attrition first (the 40 a month for the entire year as someone claimed) with no company response and then I’ll join your doomsday club and say you are correct. I’ve been wrong before. |
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