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daniellippman 01-24-2020 09:09 AM

Reporter asking -- Issue with Airbus A320?
 
I heard there may be an issue with fumes in the A320 cockpit that incapacitates pilots sometimes -- if you know any people affected by this, can you email or call me? Thanks very much! -Daniel Lippman [email protected] and 413-854-8628https://simpleflying.com/a320-ba-fumes-first-officer/

https://simpleflying.com/spirit-airlines-fume-incident/

https://onemileatatime.com/pilots-incapacitated-fumes/

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/j...me-events.html

https://avherald.com/h?article=4b6eb830

https://viewfromthewing.com/is-airbu...g-people-sick/
https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comm...tent=post_body

DickBurns 01-25-2020 12:07 PM

Please contact our union.

E-mail us at media@alpa.org or call 703-481-4440.
[email protected]
Air Line Pilots Association, International, 1625 Massachusetts Ave NW, Suite 800, Washington, DC 20036 | (703) 689-2270

DickBurns 01-25-2020 12:07 PM

I wouldn't reply, guys.

bluesky24 01-25-2020 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by daniellippman (Post 2963328)

I wish reporters would do some actual research and educate themselves on subjects they write about. The quality of reporting is terrible and lazy. Reporters want to be spoon fed information and write hit pieces for clicks. I’ve noticed Politico is especially bad. Anytime I read an aviation related article and see all the errors and inaccuracies; I figure that anything else they write about is flawed. Whether it be business related, political, or whatever. Too bad reporters don’t have higher standards and take the time to investigate and learn instead of asking to be spoon fed info and then write an article full of misinformation and bias. Have some pride in your job! If I made as many errors as you probably do on a daily or weekly basis, I wouldn’t last very long in my profession.

Qotsaautopilot 01-25-2020 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by bluesky24 (Post 2964289)
I wish reporters would do some actual research and educate themselves on subjects they write about. The quality of reporting is terrible and lazy. Reporters want to be spoon fed information and write hit pieces for clicks. I’ve noticed Politico is especially bad. Anytime I read an aviation related article and see all the errors and inaccuracies; I figure that anything else they write about is flawed. Whether it be business related, political, or whatever. Too bad reporters don’t have higher standards and take the time to investigate and learn instead of asking to be spoon fed info and then write an article full of misinformation and bias. Have some pride in your job! If I made as many errors as you probably do on a daily or weekly basis, I wouldn’t last very long in my profession.

People don’t want to pay for news anymore (newspaper) so the outlets have to get paid per click instead of subscription and the writing suffers as a result. Consumers are their own worst enemy of most everything they dislike. Everyone wants everything cheap or free and then complains when quality suffers.

Qotsaautopilot 01-25-2020 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by DickBurns (Post 2964158)
Please contact our union.

E-mail us at media@alpa.org or call 703-481-4440.
[email protected]
Air Line Pilots Association, International, 1625 Massachusetts Ave NW, Suite 800, Washington, DC 20036 | (703) 689-2270

perfect response

rickair7777 01-26-2020 06:28 AM

This post was allowed because he was completely above board about who and what he is, and what he's looking for.

Bear in mind that the media will sometimes exaggerate an issue to make it newsworthy, and that could have undeserved negative ramifications for our industry.

flyjbh 01-26-2020 07:59 AM

ALPA environmental standards can respond with facts that should help the media stay in their lane


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Beer30 01-26-2020 08:34 AM

What’s wrong with helping a reporter who is up front with who he is, who he works for, and what he’s writing about? If you don’t think the quality of reporting is up to par then help a guy who is reaching out for info.

Reporters work for people too and have to put out a certain amount of material working on deadlines, so I’m sure a lot of them get frustrated too not being able to do the quality of work they’d like either.

There’s crappy people in every profession, but quit being petty and help this issue get the attention it needs. Someone needs to make it clear it’s not just an A320 problem. I Think ALPA has been pretty quiet on the fume issues

BeechedJet 01-26-2020 08:40 AM

I think the problem with sourcing for info on the internet is any schlub can say whatever they want whether it’s true or not and it’s accepted as fact. Let’s not forget about how not too long ago some posts ended up in a legal document.

DickBurns 01-26-2020 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Beer30 (Post 2964597)
What’s wrong with helping a reporter who is up front with who he is, who he works for, and what he’s writing about? If you don’t think the quality of reporting is up to par then help a guy who is reaching out for info.

Reporters work for people too and have to put out a certain amount of material working on deadlines, so I’m sure a lot of them get frustrated too not being able to do the quality of work they’d like either.

There’s crappy people in every profession, but quit being petty and help this issue get the attention it needs. Someone needs to make it clear it’s not just an A320 problem. I Think ALPA has been pretty quiet on the fume issues

Refer to the company handbook. Stay out of trouble.

CAirBear 01-26-2020 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Beer30 (Post 2964597)
What’s wrong with helping a reporter who is up front with who he is, who he works for, and what he’s writing about? If you don’t think the quality of reporting is up to par then help a guy who is reaching out for info.

Reporters work for people too and have to put out a certain amount of material working on deadlines, so I’m sure a lot of them get frustrated too not being able to do the quality of work they’d like either.

There’s crappy people in every profession, but quit being petty and help this issue get the attention it needs. Someone needs to make it clear it’s not just an A320 problem. I Think ALPA has been pretty quiet on the fume issues

Couldn’t agree more man. This stuff NEEDS to legitimately start getting out into the press. It would be incredible to see it start being talked about on actual news/commentary programs.

The current 2 paragraph blurbs about someone diverting due to “odors” (with zero follow up) sure as hell doesn't cut it.

I also agree that ALPA doesn’t seem to care that much. Someone compared their approach (so far) to the approach by the NFLPA with CTE and Concussions. They do just enough to show they care, but in reality don’t want to go down the road it would require for serious change.

Super EZ E 01-26-2020 05:54 PM

I've had a fume event! The FO took his shoes off! Mask went on. Had a passenger in the front lab for 45 min and I considered an Emer D! We had the masks on up front the whole time. It was really dangerous! LOL

Sherpa 01-26-2020 07:30 PM

Scare people away from airtravel, genius.

Qotsaautopilot 01-27-2020 01:15 AM

wrong thread, sorry.

flyjbh 01-27-2020 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by Beer30 (Post 2964597)
What’s wrong with helping a reporter who is up front with who he is, who he works for, and what he’s writing about? If you don’t think the quality of reporting is up to par then help a guy who is reaching out for info.



Reporters work for people too and have to put out a certain amount of material working on deadlines, so I’m sure a lot of them get frustrated too not being able to do the quality of work they’d like either.



There’s crappy people in every profession, but quit being petty and help this issue get the attention it needs. Someone needs to make it clear it’s not just an A320 problem. I Think ALPA has been pretty quiet on the fume issues



Because you are not an expert and whatever information you give him will only make our job harder. There is no cover up as to the existence of fume events.... what it does to your body, that’s where he needs to be a journalist and find the proper information... and that will not come from a pilot.


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whataclub 01-27-2020 03:22 PM

60 Minutes Australia did a piece on this last September.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D97No_7fbR4


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