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rabsing76 02-14-2020 07:24 PM

https://fixingnotams.org/the-problem...-about-notams/

How about we just fix the real problem with NOTAMS? Having a to read through a ton of irrelevant stuff in NOTAMS decreases safety.

Halon1211 02-14-2020 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by rabsing76 (Post 2977071)
NOTAMS? Yes on occasion there is an important NOTAM but 99% of the NOTAMS have zero impact on your flight. Your job is to look at the NOTAMS and find that one NOTAM that is important to your flight. But no, there are some guys that treat every single last NOTAM like it's the be all end all, that taxiway closure in some obscure corner of the airport you never go to, that 200' crane 2 miles off the end of the runway, etc. I don't care about that obscure stuff and never will. But there is always that guy who obsesses about it. And yeah, they are working too hard. You wanna be that guy? I'll make fun of you for it. I've got tens of thousands of hours of flight time with this philosophy and I've never had an issue.

if you had to do the ILS then circling to land in SAP then I would probably want to know about a tower around the airport...just my thought.

RemoveB4flght 02-15-2020 02:54 AM


Originally Posted by rabsing76 (Post 2977071)
I've got tens of thousands of hours of flight time with this philosophy and I've never had an issue.

“I’ve been driving for 30 years and never once wore a seatbelt, never had an issue, still alive. That should prove definitively that seatbelts aren’t worth the bother”

Another weak argument there bud

rabsing76 02-15-2020 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2977240)
if you had to do the ILS then circling to land in SAP then I would probably want to know about a tower around the airport...just my thought.

Apparently your airline doesn't require that you be stabilized at 1000, right? Because at mine even if you're circling we still need to meet that criteria. If you circle at 200 ft, then yeah I guess that tower would be relevant but I don't circle at 200 ft. But alas, I know I'm not convincing anyone. Just further proving my point that some guys make this job harder than it needs to be, by worrying about stuff that has no effect on the flight (like that 200' tower somewhere in the rough vicinity of the airport). Can't wait to get my next "Pretty weak argument there bud!" :)

RemoveB4flght 02-15-2020 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by rabsing76 (Post 2977356)
Can't wait to get my next "Pretty weak argument there bud!" :)


No no, your logic is sound and arguments valid. I look forward to more tips and tricks for the suckers working too hard. Fuel hacks are probably a waste of time too, I mean how often are we leaking or short on gas right?

GrillMaster 02-15-2020 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2976941)
You must be the guy who always misses things that I thankfully found and corrected. The professionalism of our FO's is abysmal. I love flying 1.5 pilot.

Whoaaaa, hold up. Congrats on saving the day, and “correcting” your FO there, Cappy. Hopefully YOU were professional and helped the guy out. Maybe he didnt know he made a mistake, you know, cuz mistakes are usually not intended.... Could be his first airline gig.... Maybe its you? Judging by your post, you sound like one of those guys who cant get enough of himself.... And maybe your FO just sucks. I dont know, I wasnt there. But at the end of the day, these habits are fixable. If someone isnt performing up to par, mentoring/educating them on the mistakes is the only way to improve them.

But have you seen some of these darling captains we have? I shouldnt have to be embarrassed walking around a terminal with Captain wearing clip on sunglasses indoors, a red suitcase, ripped pants, yellow shirt, and smells like he hasnt showered in a week.

Calling all FOs unprofessional is quite a broad stroke and completely false for 99% of us. I get it, some guys leave alot to be desired, however mentoring new guys is part of the job. Not everyone is straight out of the airforce academy. Calling half our seniority list abysmal, is ****ing ridiculous. Flying 1.5 pilot? Really? Sometimes I feel the same way about some of our Captains. VERY few of them, but not ALL of them. You dont see me calling everyone abysmal.

VIRotate 02-15-2020 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by rabsing76 (Post 2977356)
Apparently your airline doesn't require that you be stabilized at 1000, right? Because at mine even if you're circling we still need to meet that criteria. If you circle at 200 ft, then yeah I guess that tower would be relevant but I don't circle at 200 ft. But alas, I know I'm not convincing anyone. Just further proving my point that some guys make this job harder than it needs to be, by worrying about stuff that has no effect on the flight (like that 200' tower somewhere in the rough vicinity of the airport). Can't wait to get my next "Pretty weak argument there bud!" :)

I agree with you. Some guys make this job harder than it has to be. I’ve had a few conversations with my FOs about some of them. The only time I read notams is going into an unfamiliar airport, one without a tower, or during hard IMC when I have to do an actual approach. I don’t bother marking taxiways because I figure if it has a tower, they aren’t going to send me down a closed taxiway. If the FAA redid notams and made it easier to find pertinent information, I think more pilots would look at them. Anyways to each their own as long as you’re being safe.

Omniscient 02-15-2020 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by VIRotate (Post 2977861)
I agree with you. Some guys make this job harder than it has to be. I’ve had a few conversations with my FOs about some of them. The only time I read notams is going into an unfamiliar airport, one without a tower, or during hard IMC when I have to do an actual approach. I don’t bother marking taxiways because I figure if it has a tower, they aren’t going to send me down a closed taxiway. If the FAA redid notams and made it easier to find pertinent information, I think more pilots would look at them. Anyways to each their own as long as you’re being safe.

Wow...I hope this entire post was sarcasm, because if not, we just hired a doozy....

If this was meant to be sarcastic, it was presented well
If this is your true outlook and thought process, you're actions are nothing short of careless.

"I don’t bother marking taxiways because I figure if it has a tower, they aren’t going to send me down a closed taxiway"
---please tell me this was all a joke

VIRotate 02-15-2020 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2977866)
Wow...I hope this entire post was sarcasm, because if not, we just hired a doozy....

If this was meant to be sarcastic, it was presented well
If this is your true outlook and thought process, you're actions are nothing short of careless.

"I don’t bother marking taxiways because I figure if it has a tower, they aren’t going to send me down a closed taxiway"
---please tell me this was all a joke

It wasn’t meant to come off as I don’t look at notams. Sorry if it did. I don’t mark closed taxiways though. Never have. IMO that's just your own technique. I make a mental note and use the MKI eyeball. Unless it’s an airport I’m unfamiliar with like I said.

Halon1211 02-15-2020 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by VIRotate (Post 2977861)
I agree with you. Some guys make this job harder than it has to be. I’ve had a few conversations with my FOs about some of them. The only time I read notams is going into an unfamiliar airport, one without a tower, or during hard IMC when I have to do an actual approach. I don’t bother marking taxiways because I figure if it has a tower, they aren’t going to send me down a closed taxiway. If the FAA redid notams and made it easier to find pertinent information, I think more pilots would look at them. Anyways to each their own as long as you’re being safe.

lets hope we never fly together...not reading a closed taxiway NOTAM because there is a control tower is a false sense of security.


If you are coming into land and it’s snowing and you turn off the runway before tower gives you instructions and you turn off into a closed taxiway (just because a taxiway is closed doesn’t mean it will barricaded) you just made a violation. I have heard of people being violated for this. Just one example.


Your probably the kinda of person I hear on the radio ask for the ILS to a runway at the last minute and the control says “it’s NOTAMED out of service” then there’s an awkward silence.


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