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spirited 02-20-2020 06:08 AM

Training footprint questions
 
I understood some of what they told us at the group interview, but not all :confused:
2 wks indoctrination @ FLL
1 wk CBT @ home
CSI @ FLL - 8 lessons - how long (days)? one a day? M-F or 7 days?
Oral
FTD @ FLL - 4 lessons - how long (days)? one a day? M-F or 7 days?
These last 3 seem like 13 days, which might take 3 weeks - right?
Sims - 5 events - a week or longer?
LOFT
EET
?where is the type ride in the sequence?
OE 30 hours minimum

Overall they said 2 month foot print - I think that was excluding OE.
Any recent/current information would be appreciated

Arliss 02-20-2020 07:20 AM

8-9 weeks total is accurate. CSI/FTD/Sim schedule is hit or miss, days off will very.

spirited 02-20-2020 07:26 AM

any breaks after 1week CBT at home? by break, I mean where they positive space you home?

YellowBus 02-20-2020 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by spirited (Post 2980309)
any breaks after 1week CBT at home? by break, I mean where they positive space you home?

No. and they tell you that right off the bat.

CLE to IAH 02-20-2020 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by YellowBus (Post 2980319)
No. and they tell you that right off the bat.

can one expect to be 100% in FLL the whole 8 weeks?

No problem if so, just wondering. Thanks!

MCDUmanipulator 02-20-2020 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 2980369)
can one expect to be 100% in FLL the whole 8 weeks?

No problem if so, just wondering. Thanks!

some people may get Dfw for FTD’s

CLE to IAH 02-20-2020 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 2980393)
some people may get Dfw for FTD’s

ok thanks. Essentially what I was asking was, is it 8 weeks purely away from home without interruption. In other words, will you be away from family the entire time or able to occasionally slip home. Thanks!

onedolla 02-20-2020 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 2980419)
ok thanks. Essentially what I was asking was, is it 8 weeks purely away from home without interruption. In other words, will you be away from family the entire time or able to occasionally slip home. Thanks!

Unless your family is in either FLL or DFW, or planning to come visit, I'd plan on being gone 100% of the time after the 1 week of home study. There very likely won't be 2+ day gaps off for you to "occasionally slip home". I'm sure you've been through enough training by now to know how it works. Do your time, pass, and go enjoy home. You and your family should understand how initial training works at this point.

CLE to IAH 02-20-2020 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 2980425)
Unless your family is in either FLL or DFW, or planning to come visit, I'd plan on being gone 100% of the time after the 1 week of home study. There very likely won't be 2+ day gaps off for you to "occasionally slip home". I'm sure you've been through enough training by now to know how it works. Do your time, pass, and go enjoy home. You and your family should understand how initial training works at this point.

thanks for the info! Of course I understand, absolutely. Which is why in my post I said it was absolutely fine either way. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. My wife should actually be glad to see me after that :-) Thanks again!

KCJake 02-20-2020 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 2980419)
ok thanks. Essentially what I was asking was, is it 8 weeks purely away from home without interruption. In other words, will you be away from family the entire time or able to occasionally slip home. Thanks!

I had two different stints of 4-5 days off. One was after the oral and one was after FTDs. I went home for one and my girlfriend came to FLL for one. The training department doesn’t condone it and won’t positive space you home, but you can jumpseat. Just keep in mind, if you don’t make it back, you’re screwed.

MCDUmanipulator 02-20-2020 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 2980419)
ok thanks. Essentially what I was asking was, is it 8 weeks purely away from home without interruption. In other words, will you be away from family the entire time or able to occasionally slip home. Thanks!

I snuck home on most days off. However you obviously have to be smart with it. Have plenty of back up plans on how your going to get back in time and make sure you don’t fall behind on studies.

Benver 02-21-2020 07:22 AM

1 week indoc, 1 week CPT (flows), 1 week self study for 14 hours of CBT, 2 weeks of system integration training (8 sessions) and Oral exam. 1 week of FTD (4 sessions), 1 week of FFS (5 sessions), Type ride, LOFT, UPRT. Total estimated 9 weeks from day zero to go home and wait. Current estimate for first OE flight is about 2 weeks, accordingly its about 5 days of OE can't speak about that.... good luck!

spirited 02-21-2020 12:53 PM

Thanks Benver

ILFLY4u 02-21-2020 05:44 PM

When will our min guarantee pay begin? After the check ride or not until completing OE?

Cicada 02-21-2020 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 2980425)
Unless your family is in either FLL or DFW, or planning to come visit, I'd plan on being gone 100% of the time after the 1 week of home study. There very likely won't be 2+ day gaps off for you to "occasionally slip home". I'm sure you've been through enough training by now to know how it works. Do your time, pass, and go enjoy home. You and your family should understand how initial training works at this point.

Give me a break. Maybe he doesn't need such a snarky reply.

onedolla 02-21-2020 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Cicada (Post 2981330)
Give me a break. Maybe he doesn't need such a snarky reply.

Feel free to send him all the sunshine you feel is necessary, champ.

YellowBus 02-21-2020 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by ILFLY4u (Post 2981327)
When will our min guarantee pay begin? After the check ride or not until completing OE?

Completion of training. So all training through OE

Sheg0theD 02-22-2020 12:13 AM


Originally Posted by YellowBus (Post 2981339)
Completion of training. So all training through OE



Training pay until completing OE or 90 days of employment.


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JulesWinfield 02-27-2020 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 2980425)
Unless your family is in either FLL or DFW, or planning to come visit, I'd plan on being gone 100% of the time after the 1 week of home study. There very likely won't be 2+ day gaps off for you to "occasionally slip home". I'm sure you've been through enough training by now to know how it works. Do your time, pass, and go enjoy home. You and your family should understand how initial training works at this point.

My regional positive spaced us back and forth on the weekends, so it isn't unheard of in the industry.

The guy is just wanting to know what he's in for.

ASAPsafetyGUY 02-27-2020 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 2980419)
ok thanks. Essentially what I was asking was, is it 8 weeks purely away from home without interruption. In other words, will you be away from family the entire time or able to occasionally slip home. Thanks!

yes but don’t worry. They’ll still be there when you get back...maybe.

ASAPsafetyGUY 02-27-2020 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 2985502)
My regional positive spaced us back and forth on the weekends, so it isn't unheard of in the industry.

The guy is just wanting to know what he's in for.

Jules what are you doing in here? Did you get a job here buddy? I hope so. Enough regional whipsawing man.

CLE to IAH 02-27-2020 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by ASAPsafetyGUY (Post 2985510)
yes but don’t worry. They’ll still be there when you get back...maybe.

maybe.... maybe not!!

hey I appreciate everyone’s input. All good. If worse comes to worse, I can bring the fam down to FLL.

it would be a great problem to have. Fingers crossed!

Qotsaautopilot 02-27-2020 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 2985502)
My regional positive spaced us back and forth on the weekends, so it isn't unheard of in the industry.

The guy is just wanting to know what he's in for.

exactly. It wouldn’t cost them anything substantial and would go a long way in keeping people sane. 2 months without seeing your wife and kids is crazy ask imo. They don’t say you can’t go home but they certainly don’t help you do it.

JulesWinfield 03-02-2020 01:41 AM


Originally Posted by ASAPsafetyGUY (Post 2985511)
Jules what are you doing in here? Did you get a job here buddy? I hope so. Enough regional whipsawing man.

Phone interview coming up. Fingers crossed.


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