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Halon1211 02-28-2020 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 2985871)
I doubt Delta is running 777's from FLL to PIT.


you are right. Probably FLL to LBE. Lol

FlyGuy2002 02-28-2020 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 2985871)
I doubt Delta is running 777's from FLL to PIT.

nope. But we won’t be running A320s to Pitt either , if yinzers quit going on cruises (likely) or to the beach for spring break until this subsides

MCDUmanipulator 02-28-2020 08:23 AM

All this is just more media driven hysteria. Nobody’s ever been afraid of the flu have they? This virus isn’t much worse. Just has a sexier name and it’s new.

CAirBear 02-28-2020 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Balker (Post 2985766)
Nothing to do with fare prices

I believe his meaning is, if we were to go into a recession (after the fact) and people are cutting back discretionary income, but still want to (try) and travel, Spirit will be in a good position.

Allegiant was still making money in 2008-09 for that very reason.

Judge Smails 02-28-2020 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 2985881)
All this is just more media driven hysteria. Nobody’s ever been afraid of the flu have they? This virus isn’t much worse. Just has a sexier name and it’s new.

Flu has a 0.1% fatality rate. This thing is around 2% and it's more contagious. While I agree the media is overly freaking out so far, I wouldn't sell this thing short just yet. It could wind up being very disruptive.

MCDUmanipulator 02-28-2020 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 2985970)
Flu has a 0.1% fatality rate. This thing is around 2% and it's more contagious. While I agree the media is overly freaking out so far, I wouldn't sell this thing short just yet. It could wind up being very disruptive.

until it starts killing people that weren’t all ready compromised Im not going to worry about it. Other then the media hysteria causing our economy to collapse

TrojanCMH 02-28-2020 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 2986017)
until it starts killing people that weren’t all ready compromised Im not going to worry about it. Other then the media hysteria causing our economy to collapse



It has. That’s what’s making this virus weird. If 100 people get it, statistics show 2 perfectly healthy adults will die. Nobody knows why some die and others don’t. It’s not just the old and frail dying from it like the flu. Some don’t even show symptoms and are just carriers. Hard to contain people who have no symptoms and that’s what is causing it to spread.


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KCJake 02-28-2020 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2986026)
If 100 people get it, statistics show 2 perfectly healthy adults will die.

Not according to what I’ve seen and read about it so far. The vast majority of that 2% is people who have pre-existing conditions.

DrSteveBrule 02-28-2020 01:15 PM

whats causing the economy to collapse is corporate earnings recession, growing supply chain disruptions and several rounds of Trump pumps glutting the top side to a super way over bought market. Like it or not, this bubble needed to be popped, it's a return to normalcy. The marketplace is so vast and diverse, the media overall plays very little role in what's going on.

Qotsaautopilot 02-28-2020 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002 (Post 2985876)
nope. But we won’t be running A320s to Pitt either , if yinzers quit going on cruises (likely) or to the beach for spring break until this subsides

arent these tickets already bought months ago? Spirit hasn’t changed any guidance like United because we haven’t changed anything.

DrSteveBrule 02-28-2020 01:48 PM

until people start losng their jobs, all is well. Market corrections are normal. Buying an overbought market for two straight years is not normal.

Judge Smails 02-28-2020 02:43 PM

The correction was inevitable (and overdue)...this is a convenient catalyst.

Balker 02-28-2020 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 2985901)
I believe his meaning is, if we were to go into a recession (after the fact) and people are cutting back discretionary income, but still want to (try) and travel, Spirit will be in a good position.

Allegiant was still making money in 2008-09 for that very reason.

Yes, we can agree on that. But our problems are not based on a market correction or a broad recession. The problem is way deeper than that. What the industry is potentially facing now, it’s a post 9/11 demand drop. It’s true that investors are overreacting in other industries, but for us the problem might be real.
Doesn’t matter what the truth is about the actual level of risk. What matters is how people are going to react. Will the xxxx family fly to Disney World this summer or would they rather change their plans to a drivable destination? Will that young couple fly down to that beach resort in the Caribbean or rather drive to a domestic beach destination? It doesn’t take much for leisure travelers to say “Better safe than sorry. We’ll fly next year”

DrSteveBrule 02-28-2020 08:48 PM

myrtle gonna have corona the same as punta cana. The fear of this thing will wear off once everyone realizes healthy adults are gonna get some pukes and a cough and some butt squeeze and then move on with their lives. Old people might wanna stay home tho


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RemoveB4flght 02-29-2020 07:45 AM

Flying to LAX the other day half the people in the terminal wearing surgical masks, landing in FLL people were wearing the safety masks from Home Depot (#spiritpax)

The irony is that both types are made in China.

Markets are people’s reactions as much as anything.

Omniscient 02-29-2020 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2986469)
Flying to LAX the other day half the people in the terminal wearing surgical masks, landing in FLL people were wearing the safety masks from Home Depot (#spiritpax)

The irony is that both types are made in China.

Markets are people’s reactions as much as anything.

I laugh when I see someone with the face mask pulled down and on the cell phone. Clearly serious about keeping germs out

LandGreen 02-29-2020 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 2985871)
I doubt Delta is running 777's from FLL to PIT.

You’re probably right. But their 737 that would have otherwise done LA to JFK is likely going to get repurposed to do the FLL to PIT type runs while the 777 picks up the heavy markets

BD100 02-29-2020 09:09 AM

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentage shown below does NOT represent in any way the share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.
AGE DEATH RATE
confirmed cases DEATH RATEall cases
80+ years old 21.9%
14.8% 70-79 years old
8.0% 60-69 years old
3.6% 50-59 years old
1.3% 40-49 years old
0.4% 30-39 years old
0.2% 20-29 years old
0.2% 10-19 years old
0.2% 0-9 years old
no fatalities*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%).

In general, relatively few cases are seen among children.

dutchroller 02-29-2020 09:23 AM

Much more than a light breeze could take out a decent percentage of 80+ year olds.


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FNGFO 02-29-2020 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by LandGreen (Post 2986522)
You’re probably right. But their 737 that would have otherwise done LA to JFK is likely going to get repurposed to do the FLL to PIT type runs while the 777 picks up the heavy markets

They still have to break even or take a small loss on the flight. Not easy to do competing head on with a ULCC while having highly compensated personnel.

Excargodog 02-29-2020 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 2986620)
They still have to break even or take a small loss on the flight. Not easy to do competing head on with a ULCC while having highly compensated personnel.


With an aircraft optimized for a totally different mission.

gringo 02-29-2020 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2986475)
I laugh when I see someone with the face mask pulled down and on the cell phone. Clearly serious about keeping germs out

I was walking around Shanghai a few years ago. Smog was terrible; maybe 100 yards visibility.

Everyone was wearing masks.

A guy walking past me, I watched him stop, take off his mask, proceed to smoke a cigarette (unfiltered) then carry on with his day. But not before putting his mask back on, because the air was nasty, you know?

😂🤦‍♂️


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