April class candidates
 

Anyone hear anything? I got a call last week saying my Apr 6 class was still on.. for the moment. A national lockdown / airspace closure would, of course change things - but short of that - thoughts welcome....

I got the same call... I think so far we're probably still good. Though I did hear they slashed April classes in half and ceased hiring for May. They probably don't know yet either, since this situation is so fluid.

I heard that if you ask, they will put you on the list for when classes resume. If I still had a job and that option was available I would take it. If you start class you can take the VLOA once they start furloughs. I think it will happen...

I think after April they’re hiring into a pool, that way they can restart classes quickly once all this is over.

If I were y’all, I’d stay at my regional, especially if I was senior. Just have them put you on the deferred class list. If you show up to class I think it’s a guarantee you’ll be furloughed.

FWIW, IF you can stay at your old job, do it. The odds of you being furloughed at the bottom this list is high. Spirit is trying to hedge their bets with a new hire class “just in case” they need them, and won’t hesitate to cancel class, mid class, if necessary. No healthcare and no job is a bad situation right now. Sometimes a bird in the hand is worth a lot and a regional job is a nice bird in the hand.

Anyone from the March 10 intevriew heard anything? I’m in a pretty stable job atm, so I think best case would be hired into a pool and go to class when this blows over.
Just figured we would hear some kind of feedback by now.

Yeah they've been fairly quiet about a lot of it. Once we start class though we can take the VLOA, correct? If it's offered?

training for March and April going as planned. After that the new hires will be placed in the pool. This is all subject to change of course. No VLOA has been asked. We are trucking along as planned.

In the latest MOU, they’re offering VLOA for May.

you are correct, my mistake. I missed that.

Well know more when we see the number of them being offered.

If one were to be furloughed on probation or even still in class, are they protected/guaranteed to be on the recall list or will they be SOL?

A pilot on probation is treated just like a pilot not on probation as far as recall goes. They can't just terminate probationary pilots.

So, if you're on military orders up until your class date, and due to all this, your military orders get extended overlapping your class date, expect to be put into the deferred class pool?

Then fight to get some more orders? :D

We're cutting the flying 20% in April and 25% in May. The latest vacancy award showed 2,511 pilots. That means the bottom 502 and 628 respectively will not be needed for the next 75 days. Wuhan at day 105 is returning to normal with temporary hospitals being torn down and factories being reopened. If you think the economy will roar back and demand will surge then I'd take a class date. If you doubt that then I'd stay put. Furloughs suck. Been there, done that.

I disagree. How many will call in sick in April and May? How many will get the virus and have to self quarantine? How many will need to quarantine because of a sick family member? I don’t think it’s as simple as chopping off the bottom 20% and 25%.

Currently we have 2580 on property with a class I believe that started this past Monday. I feel as if that was the case, they would have offered the VTLOA starting April.


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Just checked the MOU and Ted's latest letter and saw no mention of VLOA.

April class candidates
 

It’s in the MOU the union sent out. Effective for the MAY bid.


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Mx is preparing to park 30 airplanes

You should prepare yourself for the worst. It is becoming more and more likely

source? Honestly the best idea right now. I’ve been furloughed and it sucks. Wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Hopefully it’s a short break if it happens and those affected come back at full pay

Staffing is what, 16-17 per aircraft? Assuming if they ground they’ll either offer reduced-hour lines or “ground” the equivalent crews as well...

does that include the 4 NEOS already parked in DFW since December waiting for engines?

many possible solutions if a reduction becomes necessary. I’m hoping our MEC is conferencing with other MECs and ALPA National on possibilities. Probably shouldn’t discuss them here. Right now we are still even running classes next month and are offering leave of absence in May but no word on how many. That’s all we know.

mechanic in dtw while ferrying a plane. Also heard that spirit contacted officials at KAFW asking about ramp space to store 30 planes.

sadly I think 30 will be just the start. If we get through this with only parking 30 it’ll be a miracle.

I heard 40 planes at AFW. and also contacted officials at FTW for possible 10 more planes to store.

Certainly don’t want to be furloughed (and I probably will be). But, have to agree parking planes is the best option as I’d like an airline come back to assuming this ever ends.

yeah. I’ve accepted the fact I’ll be furloughed. I just want something to come back to in 1,2,3,4 years whatever it is.

how Junior are you? I thought you’ve been here a few years

No one knows anything. I liked JM email today. Very detailed and matter of fact.

Here is a very good article for those that think we will never have any pax ever again. It’s already recovering in China.

COVID-19 Chinese Recovery Begins | Audries Aircraft Analysis


Until we’ve been told otherwise we are still running two more months of classes. I mean could we furlough? Sure, but if they truly know this is what is coming, then I see absolutely no benefit for the company to send them to training and the sim (which cost money).

It appears to me that we are trying to be one of the few airlines to be in a position to ramp up when demand returns. You need people around for that.

I certainly would have expected more then a 20% reduction in April if the numbers were that abysmal for us. Compared to JB we are looking okay. They slashed 40%. Not sure what F9 is going to be.

The bottom line is this. People are going to fly again. No one is going to drive 18 hours in cars to visit friends and family. People aren’t going to stop vacationing. Businesses are not going to stop meeting clients and attending conferences.

The demand is returning in China. There is no reason to expect the exact same thing is going to be happening here.

It has been 2 days and friends and family back home are already going stir crazy. There will be plenty of pent up demand when this is over.

2100 range

Too soon? Sorry, saw it on a Delta thread and had to steal it. Hope we all squeak through with our jobs intact, and this is in the rear view mirror by Fall.
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My wife is going nuts too in our small house. Problem is will folks heed the directives and stay home or a week from now give up

Had 108,155 on my red eye turn last night. Sure is a lot better then the reports I hear from the legacy’s with routinely less then 20 people on board.

Just finished a 4 day. Only 1 flight less than 100. Had more no shows than usual, but that’s to be expected.

Again. They know the numbers. I would expect far more cuts than 20% if we were truly barely flying anyone.

It changes everyday, but in terms of pax loads it seems we aren’t nearly in as bad of a position as some of the Legacies, at the moment.

Based on Ted’s email, it seems we dropped the price to almost nothing. I’m sure that explain the higher loads compared to everyone else. I’m more curious of the burn rate of our cash.

Remember, about half of our revenue is ancillary. If we can get bodies on board, they’ll pay for extras which helps our bottom line.

New bid package is out. ORD FO lost 6 more lines and AVL went from 82 to 73