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majorpilot 03-23-2020 12:27 AM


Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR (Post 3007978)
On another note, kids are don’t seem to get sick and not a single one has died below the age of 14 around the entire world from this.

What is the factual basis for this astonishing pronouncement? If true, that would be fantastic news that should be on every network, something red and blue could be happy about.

Stan446 03-23-2020 12:37 AM

Yep, We are all done for. So far tons of cases, FEW deaths. One year from now we are all going to wonder what this was. Sadly, thousand of jobs lost, businesses gone and retirements gone. All because of media hype. In two or three years we are going to go through the same thing. China will never update their living conditions and we will continue to get viruses from China.

nludy 03-23-2020 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3008307)
Yep, We are all done for. So far tons of cases, FEW deaths. One year from now we are all going to wonder what this was. Sadly, thousand of jobs lost, businesses gone and retirements gone. All because of media hype. In two or three years we are going to go through the same thing. China will never update their living conditions and we will continue to get viruses from China.

Few deaths? Go tell that to Italy. Media Hype? How about you go hang out in NYC over the next two weeks and get back with us. You know many experts are saying this pandemic has the potential to spread to 50% or more of the planet.

NKSpilot 03-23-2020 06:24 AM

Best not take relationship advice from pilots. That said, she sounds like a good woman that cares about her kids and I disagree with the “side piece” guy. I would be more worried about a wife that doesn’t care.

She wants reassurance.

RemoveB4flght 03-23-2020 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by NKSpilot (Post 3008439)
Best not take relationship advice from pilots. That said, she sounds like a good woman that cares about her kids and I disagree with the “side piece” guy. I would be more worried about a wife that doesn’t care.

She wants reassurance.

Says the guy giving relationship advice...

atpcliff 03-23-2020 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by offmyrocker (Post 3007488)
Hahaha yeah I can come home 14 days after my last day of work.How do you know you aren’t infected? Takes 14 days to know...

It only takes (normally) 14 days to know, IF you don't get tested. This is one reason why we need WAY more test kits, to rule out people, so they can function normally, especially if they are in critical job functions, like ATC, transportation, etc.

atpcliff 03-23-2020 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Avro85 (Post 3007866)
More precise questions:

Why is ALPA not demanding that it's members follow CDC and Covid19 Task Force guidelines for the health and safety concerns?

If it's imperative health care workers have masks, why are Flight Attendants sent out to face the public unarmed?

Why are airline managements not being pressured by politicians to follow CDC and Covid19 Task Force measures while getting in line for taxpayer bailouts?

I flew an asian carrier back in Feb. ALL of their staff wore masks. But, we are not as organized as many Asian countries, so we don't have enough masks for all of our cabin crew/employees...

atpcliff 03-23-2020 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by Green Giant (Post 3007439)
I go to work to fly planes to make money. Trip is nearing the end and the wife says do not think about coming home and getting the family sick. I’m not infected with the virus. Anyone else find themselves homeless now?

I had to live in the basement for a number of days, due to a combination of factors related to the CVirus. One of which my CEO (the wife) was waiting on a test. She tested negative for the CVirus, and was VERY lucky to be able to get tested...otherwise I would still be not able to go back to work for a week or so.

pangolin 03-23-2020 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 3008119)
I can’t see the logic (if there is any) in restricting people from gathering in numbers greater than 10 or more (some states vary) but then allow 145 people to be placed shoulder to shoulder for 2 or more hours and breath recycled air in an airplane. Am I missing something?

Surely you know the air exchange rate in the pressurized tube far far exceeds that of your average building. In addition in most aircraft it’s bleed air so it’s been heated to an extreme temperature. I’ll take the positive airflow in an airplane over a building any day.

atpcliff 03-23-2020 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR (Post 3007978)
Sounds like you’re just the money bags to her... Sorry bro. Bet a Benjamin she has a side piece.

On another note, kids are don’t seem to get sick and not a single one has died below the age of 14 around the entire world from this. It’s impossible to shelter them 100% from it as it will be circulating for the next few years.

If that doesn’t work you may need to take a unpaid leave of absence and put the house on the market.

Sorry you have to deal with this on top of everything else.

I didn't know this about viruses in general...
"...SARS and MERS – close cousins to the current coronavirus – largely spared children under age 12. Chickenpox typically clears up without major incident in children, yet is more likely to cause serious complications in adults. Even flu, though it does land many children in the hospital, kills a greater number of adults."

pangolin 03-23-2020 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 3008542)
I flew an asian carrier back in Feb. ALL of their staff wore masks. But, we are not as organized as many Asian countries, so we don't have enough masks for all of our cabin crew/employees...

You do realize the masks protect you from the crew and not the other way around? CDC recommendations for masks are for those showing symptoms.

From here:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...r-use-faq.html
  • The role of facemasks is for patient source control, to prevent contamination of the surrounding area when a person coughs or sneezes.  Patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 should wear a facemask until they are isolated in a hospital or at home. The patient does not need to wear a facemask while isolated.

atpcliff 03-23-2020 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by majorpilot (Post 3008305)
What is the factual basis for this astonishing pronouncement? If true, that would be fantastic news that should be on every network, something red and blue could be happy about.

It has been this way from the start...it's been all over the media/CDC, etc., etc.

nludy 03-23-2020 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3008556)
You do realize the masks protect you from the crew and not the other way around? CDC recommendations for masks are for those showing symptoms.

From here:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...r-use-faq.html
  • The role of facemasks is for patient source control, to prevent contamination of the surrounding area when a person coughs or sneezes.  Patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 should wear a facemask until they are isolated in a hospital or at home. The patient does not need to wear a facemask while isolated.

Why do medical workers wear masks if the patients are already sick? The masks work both ways. To help filter the pathogens and to prevent sick people from infecting others.

pangolin 03-23-2020 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by nludy (Post 3008569)
Why do medical workers wear masks if the patients are already sick? The masks work both ways. To help filter the pathogens and to prevent sick people from infecting others.

Read the whole link. I was commenting on the masks flight crews wear. The link describes the full use and purpose of each mask. I don’t know more than the CDC. Read the link.

RemoveB4flght 03-23-2020 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by nludy (Post 3008569)
Why do medical workers wear masks if the patients are already sick? The masks work both ways. To help filter the pathogens and to prevent sick people from infecting others.

Patients who wear masks to help prevent others from getting sick do not always wear them, particularly when nurses and doctors are performing tests, cleaning, treating them etc. Their masks protect them while in very close contact with people who are sick and breathing/sneezing/coughing etc.

This is far different from people wearing masks while walking down a street staying a reasonable distance from others.

Excargodog 03-23-2020 12:36 PM

The CDC advice on masks reflects the fact that there simply weren’t enough of them to go around and they wanted them reserved to protecting the MOST EXPOSED people, ie., healthcare workers actually working with contagious patients, since in Wuhan it was these highly exposed people who were not just most often infected but most severely infected as well, since the “head start” the virus gets over the immune system of the body is greatly affected by the initial number of infecting virions and even young medical personnel were having their bodies overwhelmed by high titre initial infections from their proximity to all the sickees.

if you’ve ever been in the military you know that the chem warfare defense ensembles double as biowarfare protection and that you damn sure wear the protective mask yourself. That’s why EVERYONE had a mask.

But when you farm out your mask production to China and they need it all themselves and literally recall the ships carrying it in mid-ocean, you make whatever compromises in the ideal you need to to get the best result with the resources you have.

Which is why we need to take a long hard look at control of critical logistics needs once the current pandemic has eased...which they eventually all do.

FLYBOYMATTHEW 03-23-2020 05:55 PM

N95 masks can protect you somewhat if worn correctly. Surgical masks don't do squat for the wearer, they are for keeping droplets and aerosols in.

RadarColor 03-23-2020 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by Green Giant (Post 3007439)
I go to work to fly planes to make money. Trip is nearing the end and the wife says do not think about coming home and getting the family sick. I’m not infected with the virus. Anyone else find themselves homeless now?

Are you sure that’s not code for “I want a divorce?”

SSlow 03-23-2020 09:25 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/politics/florida-coronavirus-new-york-new-jersey/index.html

Executive order issued by the governor of Florida. Anyone flying down from the NYC area to self quarantine for 14 days. Aircraft to be met by law enforcement to collect information from pax and anyone found in violation can be charged with a misdemeanor.

This is gonna get interesting for Florida pilots...

BigZ 03-23-2020 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3009328)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/politics/florida-coronavirus-new-york-new-jersey/index.html

Executive order issued by the governor of Florida. Anyone flying down from the NYC area to self quarantine for 14 days. Aircraft to be met by law enforcement to collect information from pax and anyone found in violation can be charged with a misdemeanor.

This is gonna get interesting for Florida pilots...

Essential workers.. exempt

sourdough44 03-24-2020 04:00 AM

Wife should be welcoming you home, willing to get the virus together, nurse you back.

What if she catches the flu at the grocery store? Or worse, Covid??

I don’t like the double standard tilted to their benefit. They want equality
​​​​​​, they get equality.

FlyingDad65 03-24-2020 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 3009166)
N95 masks can protect you somewhat if worn correctly. Surgical masks don't do squat for the wearer, they are for keeping droplets and aerosols in.

My wife was a little nicer than the OP’s. She just sprays me down and Lysol and forces me into the shower and burns my clothes/uniform. I agree with the comment that she’s just worried and overly cautious with the children. We have four. I think that’s a little much though to say don’t come home; just as much as it is to say “she has a side piece.“

My wife did do as much as possible to help by making N95 masks out of the HVAC filters we have supplied downstairs. Apparently that is the same material that the N95 mask’s are made of. And if it is worn correctly, it does do good against both exposure to and exposure from the virus. I don’t necessarily believe those that say it doesn’t do any good to wear them if you are not infected. Just my opinion though. By them saying that, it saves more N95 masks for those who truly need them in the hospitals and medical field.

WHACKMASTER 03-24-2020 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by sourdough44 (Post 3009378)
Wife should be welcoming you home, willing to get the virus together, nurse you back.

What if she catches the flu at the grocery store? Or worse, Covid??

I don’t like the double standard tilted to their benefit. They want equality
​​​​​​, they get equality.

Bingo.....here’s your equal rights.

FNGFO 03-24-2020 07:26 AM

Offer to let your tainted pay check self quarantine with you. See if that changes her mind.


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